Broken Records
Please post any & all Broken Records here
Masters, Age group, national, world, . . .
Please share the who what when where how & why
Swimmmer, Team, Coach, race, Meet, splits, links ...
Please talk about em, share your thoughts and reactions
Let's celebrate & marvel aquatic accomplishments
Here's a few recent ones:
Natalie COUGHLIN broke the 100 SCY FREE AMERICAN RECORD on
Sun 12/4/2011 at the Georgia Fall Invitational
46.84 broke her own record from 2007 by 1/100th
She swam impressive times in the 1 fl, bk, & br
www.georgiadogs.com/.../
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Kate Ledecky, 14 of Curl-Burke, broke 2 13-14 NAG yards records at the
5th Annual National Age Group Team Challenge held at the Germantown Indoor Swim Center Nov 12-13.
She broke a 33-year-old record in the 500 freestyle 4:35.14 held by Sippy Woodhead from 1978 4:39.94
Then she went 9:29.81 in the 1,000 free breaking Michelle Richardson's 9:33.39, from 1984
Katie has OT cuts in the 100, 200, 400 and 800 free & will definitely be one to watch at trials.
500 free
25.44, 52.96 (27.52),
1:21.03 (28.07), 1:49.09 (28.06),
2:17.19 (28.10), 2:45.13 (27.94),
3:12.92 (27.79), 3:40.81 (27.89),
4:08.58 (27.77), 4:35.14 (26.56)
1000 free
26.49, 55.29 (28.80),
1:24.69 (29.40), 1:53.61 (28.92),
2:22.80 (29.19), 2:51.94 (29.14),
3:20.89 (28.95), 3:49.62 (28.73),
4:18.23 (28.61), 4:46.88 (28.65),
5:15.33 (28.45), 5:43.95 (28.62),
6:12.61 (28.66), 6:41.09 (28.48),
7:09.39 (28.30), 7:37.89 (28.50),
8:06.26 (28.37), 8:34.74 (28.48),
9:02.80 (28.06), 9:29.81 (27.01)
www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../28728.asp
I don't think his swim should count as a record for 3 reasons:
a) He has not been a slug for at least 5 years before competing again
b) He has not gained 30 lbs or more before competing again
c) He is an Olympian and USMS should create a separate record category for the gods who swim among us. Like Synchro does - call the category Grand Masters.
Just my two cents worth - that is about the value of this commentary. :)
Paul
Just my two cents worth - that is about the value of this commentary. :)
PaulOn the flip side, this would likely be the last time Mary Beth would ever need to update that record.
I watched Mr David Radcliff, 85 this year, swim 1500m SC in WR 25:18 on Friday night. This man is incredible. I completely agree. A truly remarkable person and swimmer.:bow::bow::bow:
I don't think his swim should count as a record for 3 reasons:
a) He has not been a slug for at least 5 years before competing again
b) He has not gained 30 lbs or more before competing again
c) He is an Olympian and USMS should create a separate record category for the gods who swim among us. Like Synchro does - call the category Grand Masters.
Just my two cents worth - that is about the value of this commentary. :)
Paul
I'm torn on all this. On the one hand, since there are no rules to the contrary, if you are a USMS swimmer in good standing, if you break a record, it should be yours. I also understand the HUGE benefit of having National Team members amongst our USMS ranks. When they come to Nationals, it is a HUGE draw for our members. Everyone wants to say they raced an Olympian. On the other hand, I wonder about maybe not allowing current national team members (people receiving stipends and the like from USA-S) to participate in USMS events or be eligible for records as full members. If they want to swim at Nationals, for instance, they can, but they would be exhibition, scoring no points and if used on a relay the relay would not score points. If they broke a record, it wouldn't be "officially" be broken.
Again, I see both sides of the argument here. Not necessarily a fan of one over the other. Maybe this is the sort of thing to start a new thread about. :2cents:
I'd be much more peeved to get beaten by someone using PEDs than by an Olympian or national team member. The latter is faster than me fair-and-square and deserves to win/set the record, the former is a cheat.
He went faster than the M25-29 record, but did he break the record (i.e. his swim is being reported as an Exhibition swim and the results say Exh as well)?
I think he entered the meet after the deadline for individual events, but within the deadline for relays (although I don't think TOC swam any relays, which is odd all by itself). Then they let him swim the 200 fly in a regular heat, but not for points. USMS had sanctioned the meet (LMSC championship), which was in a fixed-width pool (the Santa Clara Swim Center).
Mind you, he had almost 25 yards on the second finisher; he almost lapped the third and fourth finishers; and he did lap the rest of the heat.
And on the Masters front - over the weekend, Tom Shields beat the 25-29 200 fly record by over 7 seconds, going 1:40.29 at the Pacific Masters Championships!
I wonder about maybe not allowing current national team members (people receiving stipends and the like from USA-S) to participate in USMS events or be eligible for records as full members.
"I got the record even though someone beat me" this sounds like all the worst things about participation trophies. And don't get me wrong, I like participation trophies, participation is super important. But if you're eligible to swim you should be eligible for records. We already "even the playing field" with age groups. Let's not create separate categories for the amount of work you put in. Excluding pros would make USMS seem even more like a second-tier organization.
Let's not create separate categories for the amount of work you put in. Excluding pros would make USMS seem even more like a second-tier organization.
Totally agree. There's no need to dumb down the records.
"I got the record even though someone beat me" this sounds like all the worst things about participation trophies. And don't get me wrong, I like participation trophies, participation is super important. But if you're eligible to swim you should be eligible for records. We already "even the playing field" with age groups. Let's not create separate categories for the amount of work you put in. Excluding pros would make USMS seem even more like a second-tier organization.
I just want to clarify I was looking at both sides of the coin. The status quo is fine, just was tossing those other things out there.
