aerobic sets which makes sprinters puny and weak

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In another thread the inimitable Ande posted: STOP swimming aerobic sets which makes sprinters puny and weak Now you tell me! I can't wait to show this to my coach...;)
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    How does aerobic work make somebody puny? Do bodbuilders lift anaerobically? My guess would be no. To build muscle you first need to break it down, atrophy/hypertrophy, but I would tend to disagree about aerobic sets making one puny.
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    Unless I'm really mixed up I think body builders do lift anaerobically. Aerobic being sets where you can operate off oxygen without building up lactic acid and stuff, nonaerobic being working at an intensity where aerobic metabolism is not enough and lactic acid starts to build up?
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    Anaerobic exercise is when there is insufficient oxygen to produce ATP moleucles so the system resorts to fermentation. Fermentation also produces ATP but only a fraction of the amount produced by cellular respiration. 32 vs. 2 I think.
  • Hulk hate puny and weak sprinters. Hulk smash aerobic sets! :D
  • you would be totally shocked at how little training you need to do to be well prepared for a 50 we become what we do the 50 is all about explosiveness, technique, and correct splitting sprinters need to be lean and powerful sprinters need to be very fast kickers both flutter and dolphin In the 50 you step up on the block totally fresh then swim down and back as fast as possible to best prepare for the 50 you don't need to be doing 10 x 200's on 2:20 Sprinters need to perfect their form and work on 12.5 speed, 25 speed 50 speed and correctly splitting you need a great start excellent turns and a terrific touch you need to get plenty of rest and sometimes swim very fast in practice Strength training is critical In fact one of these years I'll dedicate a season to this type of training and you can see what results it produces ande
  • I totally agree that sprinters shouldn't do so much aerobic sets ... after a certain point. At the beginning of a season, everyone should be working on getting back into shape and working on stroke technique. Unfortunately, masters swim teams usually have more swimmers not doing the whole shave-taper thing, so the workouts tend to rarely change. Let's say you're getting ready for spring nationals. Tough anaerobic training should start in December or January and run for about three months, with a good amount of aerobic training to allow muscles to recover. I'm looking forward to sets with lots of rest, though I've been on three masters teams and none of them focus a lot on true anaerobic swimming. Gotta get as much yards as possible in before the hour's up.
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    As a swimming official, I know what you mean by the term, but I can't explain it. { I have seen it a thousand times} Would you give it a try Ande?
  • a terrific touch is when your hand hits the wall at the absolute perfect time, which is the soonest that it possibly can. in freestyle, your touch hand is extended your other hand is almost completing a stroke and your hand hits the wall at full speed with no glide a terrific touch is more important in butterfly ideally you complete a stroke, fully extend out front and the wall is right there In the 1988 olympics matt biondi had a terrible touch in the 100 fly so he got silver in the 2004 olympics in the 100 fly, michael phelps had a terrific touch. even though Ian crockers head was in front of Phelps Crocker didn't have a good touch and got silver. Ande Originally posted by old dog As a swimming official, I know what you mean by the term, but I can't explain it. { I have seen it a thousand times} Would you give it a try Ande?
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    Oh yes, I remember the 2004 Men's 100 Fly. Crocker was taking it out and leading all the way power his strokes until about the last 10m when he started to die up. Phelps and Serdinov started to move forward and they were all together, Crocker in 3, Phelps in 4, Serdinov in 5, when they were in their last 2 or 3 meters. You could hear the commentator screaming it's gonna all depend on who's "on stroke" and Phelps was on stroke during the touch, when his arms extended he touched the wall. Crocker and Serdinov both had bad touches and got silver and bronze.
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    Ande is correct. Aerobic sets are fine for the "health" aspect of masters swimming but they serve little purpose for the 50 free. Weights and speed in workouts is more important than long or middle distance sets. Swimming distance is more about practicing swimming at a slow pace and doesn't reinforce fast twitch response. Most of the events are 200 and below, not 200 and above. Ego.... weights..... taper....... speed........ get rid of the distance crap if you are training for the 50 free. You need to bulk up. John Smith