Ultra Short Training At Race Pace

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coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../ultra40a.pdf There is a method, which is referred to as the Rushall method which Michael Andrew uses. Was wondering if you had any critique about this. If this sort of training is a good idea and what are the problems. Would this also be good for longer events? Like the 400 IM? Thanks!
  • Thanks,but wow 20X25 on 40 at 100 pace seems pretty awesome(awful?) to me.Beyond what I can do now. Well, I usually miss one and skip a rep (today). I also do some of the sets with fins, for example if I do fly. Rushall wouldn't approve, but I like doing some speed/race pace work with fins. Plus, it saves the shoulders and knees.
  • I do occasionally do 20-30 x 25 @ 100 pace, but I use a :40 interval. Rushall has indicated that drop dead masters sprinters may need up to :30 rest. I also kick some of these, which I know Rushall dislikes. I just remembered that a couple weeks ago I did a USRPT-ish set of 25s fly on 0:35 where I alternated swimming fly and doing "shooter" SDKs on my back, all going at 100 race pace. But I think I did maybe 16 of them, not 20-30. Anyway, I liked the set and could see doing a set of 30 x 25 like this while taking the 10th/20th/30th one off as ez recovery swim instead of a kick. And it would work on underwater kicking more than a "pure" USRPT set. In general I often like the idea of mixing kick/swim sets (USRPT-like or not) and I probably don't do them enough.
  • The winner of the D III 100 yard freestyle at the recent NCAA D III championships held at the IUPUI pool was Stephan Culberson of Trinity University. He swam it in 44.18 According to his assistant coach, Michael Schuber, Culberson trained using USRPT. Hey guys, The winner of this year's NCAA DIII men's 100 yd freestyle did it with a rookie coach using USRPT! Here he is. tv.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../27150 WOOHOO!!! Best regards, Michael Schuber -- Michael Schuber Assistant Swim Coach Trinity University One Trinity Place San Antonio, TX 78212 mschube1@trinity.edu
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    Another NAG record for Michael Andrew. swimswam.com/.../
  • Another NAG record for Michael Andrew. swimswam.com/.../ I understand that Michael Andrew now holds the NAGs in 50 FR, 100s in all strokes and 200s in all strokes except BR and the 200 and 400 IM and that he has wiped Michael Phelps and Aaron Piersonl off the record books in the age group. Imagine how good he could be if he improved his underwaters.
  • I understand that Michael Andrew now holds the NAGs in 50 FR, 100s in all strokes and 200s in all strokes except BR and the 200 and 400 IM and that he has wiped Michael Phelps and Aaron Piersonl off the record books in the age group. Imagine how good he could be if he improved his underwaters. for SCY andrew holds NAG Records in 13/14 age group for "200 and 400 IM, 50 FR, 100s & 200s in all strokes except 2 BR" for LCM he holds the 50 FR, 100's of all strokes and the 200 IM www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx Lately he's raced a meet a week & keeps getting faster. He turns 15 on Fri April 18th, I imagine he'll race this weekend and next. individual times search www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx
  • Certainly one of the compelling things about ultra short is the apparent ability of its adherents to swim fast all the time. Are masters swimmers using ultra short training also finding this to be true?
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    I read somewhere on SwimSwam last week that Michael Andrew will be swimming in a LCM meet as well as a SCY meet over the next two weeks. Some last minute NAG record hunting. It would be nice to see some groups of swimmers (age groupers as well as masters) with varying levels of ability and talent take on this training program for a period of time (6 months?), and document the results.
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    I read somewhere on SwimSwam last week that Michael Andrew will be swimming in a LCM meet as well as a SCY meet over the next two weeks. Some last minute NAG record hunting. It would be nice to see some groups of swimmers (age groupers as well as masters) with varying levels of ability and talent take on this training program for a period of time (6 months?), and document the results. It seems like coaches are taking notice. The coach of the div 3 swimmer who won the 100 free at Div 3 NCAA championships said they were training with USRPT according to a comment on swimswam.