200 Breaststroke time

I personally think you could've taken that first 50 out in a 33 mid, and still have enough in you to split 37, 38, 38...2:27, 2:28. That third 50 is where you just rely on your technique and the 4th 50 you just go at it with whatever you have left.

Splits... This weekend I went: 31.17 for the 50 1:08.54 for the 100 32.27 - 36.27 2:36.29 for the 200 34.01 - 39.83 (1:13.84) 41.47 - 40.98 (1:22.45) 100 splits are good.In the 200 it looks like you went out too fast.A 5.8 sec drop off between the first and second 50 is too much.I suspect the slowness of the 3rd 50 was from poor concentration.If my brain goes on walk-about during the 200 my 3rd 50 tends to be slow.I think if you went out in a 35 you could have split 35,39,39,39 for a 2:32.

I personally think you could've taken that first 50 out in a 33 mid, and still have enough in you to split 37, 38, 38...2:27, 2:28. That third 50 is where you just rely on your technique and the 4th 50 you just go at it with whatever you have left. Don't mean to be argumentative but I disagree. An elite swimmer like Paul Kornfeld - finalist in both the 100 and 200 at NCAAs swam a 52.05/1:52.55 for a multiple of 2.16. Your suggestion for the OP is an even tighter multiple of 2.15. I think very few non-elite swimmers can do that - and it looks to me the OP might be more of a sprinter than a middle distance guy.

I personally think you could've taken that first 50 out in a 33 mid, and still have enough in you to split 37, 38, 38...2:27, 2:28. That third 50 is where you just rely on your technique and the 4th 50 you just go at it with whatever you have left. I am not clear what your rational is.If he couldn't hold splits out in 34 how could he out in 33.

I think he can..not trying to start a fight or anything here, but maybe you guys put this notion in his head that he couldn't go out faster. Ideally in your first 50 splits in the 100 and 200 shouldn't be that far off. Ideally you wanna be within a second, but you want to swim it smarter. ie longer, using your legs more. If you guys sit here and tell him that he should take it out in a high 34, your just telling him to hold back even more. That first 50 should really just be there to set the tempo, so if you start off at a slower pace then you can really go, then your just telling yourself to go slow. Just what I've been taught. Im not saying any which way is right, but I was always taught to take that first out with a strong tempo...doesnt mean sprint it all out, but you have to set yourself up for a good race. Believe me,I am not trying to argue.I am trying to learn/impart knowledge.Last year i had a 200 time I was very proud of-my fastest in several years-of 2:28.59 split at 33.72,37.97,38.38,38.52.My 50s have been about 31.0 and 100s about 1:07.8(out in about 31.8)(swum in jammers).It seems by your logic I should have been out in about 32.8.When I have tried that before my time was 2:32 and I REALLY died.I consider myself best in the 100 BR flexing down to the 50 and up to the 200.200 specialists can split closer to their 100 first 50.

I'm pretty much more the distance type. When I try and sprint, I lose some of the finer attributes needed to swim the stroke properly. Yds: 50 31.71 100 31.75 34.9 1:06.64 200 32.8 36.4 37.2 38.1 2:24.5 On the 200, I was trying to get out under a 10 (9.22) and see what would happen on the back half (15.31). We'll leave it as "I found out alright".

I mean it really depends on how you train...I no longer consider myself a 200 swimmer basically cuz its wayyy to long of a race for me. Im not motivated anymore in practice to really work for a 200. Ive always been partial to the 100, but if you train for it, it can be done! I guess I should have put a disclaimer out there saying you have to train for the 200 in order to split it like that. :blush:

Jim, I'd wager very good money that last 50 was pure torture. Been there done that. It ain't purty:D I'm pretty much more the distance type. When I try and sprint, I lose some of the finer attributes needed to swim the stroke properly. Yds: 50 31.71 100 31.75 34.9 1:06.64 200 32.8 36.4 37.2 38.1 2:24.5 On the 200, I was trying to get out under a 10 (9.22) and see what would happen on the back half (15.31). We'll leave it as "I found out alright".

I am not clear what your rational is.If he couldn't hold splits out in 34 how could he out in 33. I think he can..not trying to start a fight or anything here, but maybe you guys put this notion in his head that he couldn't go out faster. Ideally in your first 50 splits in the 100 and 200 shouldn't be that far off. Ideally you wanna be within a second, but you want to swim it smarter. ie longer, using your legs more. If you guys sit here and tell him that he should take it out in a high 34, your just telling him to hold back even more. That first 50 should really just be there to set the tempo, so if you start off at a slower pace then you can really go, then your just telling yourself to go slow. Just what I've been taught. Im not saying any which way is right, but I was always taught to take that first out with a strong tempo...doesnt mean sprint it all out, but you have to set yourself up for a good race.

OK to keep the thread going. I did my 200 at Zones thusly: 37.90 1:19.05 (41.15) 2:02.92 (43.87) 2:45.47 (42.55) My 50 was :34.2 I didn't feel dead enough after the 200. Breathing was normal very shortly after climbing out. I think climbing out should be a bit tough. Happy to PB but felt I left some in the pool and want some input on the splitting. Something odd happens in the 3rd leg with me, and then I roar back. Look at the below from January...same thing. Leg Cumulative Subtractive 1 39.32 39.32 2 1:24.17 44.85 3 2:10.18 46.01 4 2:54.49 44.31