endurox/accelerade

No offer of free samples? I've used hammer before, but it sure is expensive. If I need to refuel on the cheap I usually just take a 2 minute break and have a banana and some water. :banana:

The first article is authored by a guy who got his PhD in Holistic Nutrition from a home study course, I **** you not. This is hilarious. I just ordered some Hammer Recoverite the other day before reading all this. I guess the only thing I can be assured of is that it has less calories ...

I just keep a small flask of Bushmills by the pool edge. That really stokes the fire.

I like Accelerade although I make it as 3 parts Lemon-Lime or Orange Accelerade/1 part Gu Tri-Berry gel. It cuts the sweetness (important since I don't have a sweet tooth) and seems to work as well as pure Accelerade. BTW, if you don't like the price of Accelerade, you can make your own with some effort for alot cheaper. Just get the patent number(s) off a can, go to the US government's patent office web site and look up the patent. The ingredients are listed and you can figure out the amounts. Then get the basic ingredients from a discount health website or similar and make your own. You can do this pretty much for any supplement with a patent number. -LBJ Sports drink hacking. I like it.

as promised: Hello David - Thanks for your email. I'm currently out of town, awaiting my next flight of the current work-related trip I'm on, but I wanted to forward some information for you in the hopes that it will provide the information that you and the forum members seek. BTW, I didn't see any specific negative responses to the Hammer products, most of them seemed pretty positive actually, and the specific criticism ("a lot of clever marketing and mark-up on these products") was directed at a couple non-Hammer products. At any rate, here are some articles on our web site that should provide a lot of useful and referenced information. Perhaps the most technically-oriented one is "Carbohydrates 101- the performance-limiting fuel all you wanted to know about the why's, when's, and what's of carbs, and much more..." (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT. This was written by Dr. Bill Misner and is pretty much the "hallmark paper" or "position paper" on what carbohydrate sources are ideal for fueling the body. Another article that discusses the advantage of complex carbs over simple sugars is "Osmolality Review: the biochemistry of fuels absorption" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT and here is a portion of what Dr. Misner wrote (note that references appear at the end of the article)... " Simple-sugar solutions at body fluid osmolality levels are slowly absorbed at the rate of 6-8% maximum due to employing fructose or sucrose for sweetening. Simple sugars dramatically resist gastric transition when internal body temperatures rise proportionate to time, intensity of pace, duration, fluid and electrolyte losses. Such increases from body fluid and electrolyte depletion may permit only 3-5% sugar solutions to absorb in most athletes, before stomach upset, cramping, or muscle failure occurs. When a solution containing simple sugars is added to one containing complex carbohydrates, osmolality may double, imposing gastric stress during endurance events." "Simple sugars added to complex carbohydrates may refuse gastric entry due to increasing solution hypertonic values. If body fluids and electrolytes are depleted, the least ideal option is to ingest a simple sugar product with one that contains only complex carbohydrates." Other articles of interest: "Fructose (corn syrup) is No Answer For a Sweetener" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT "Fructose Called Most Dangerous Sugar" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../ENissue58.pdf - begins on page 1) "High Fructose Corn Syrup is Associated with Obesity - NO MYTHS ABOUT IT!" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../ENissue57.pdf) NOTE: In the next issue of Endurance News (#62), there's yet another article about High Fructose Corn Syrup entitled "High Fructose Corn Syrup – The news just gets worse and worse!" "Fructose Sweeteners Negatively Impact Blood Sugar and Lipid Metabolism Inhibiting Energy Production" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT "Dietary Fructose or Fructose Containing Sweeteners Negatively Impact Health" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT "Simple Sugars and Complex Carbohydrates – An Incompatible Combination" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT "113 ways sugar can ruin your health" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT "Aspartame toxicity: observed side-effects from food & drink" (www.hammernutrition.com/.../HNT I believe that if the readership on the forum will take the time to review the information in the articles, as well as the scientific references that provide the rationale for this information, I think they may have a different opinion of simple sugars (especially HFCS) as compared to complex carbohydrates. Please let me know if you have any additional questions, and thank you again for contacting us. Sincerely - Steve Born Senior Advisor Hammer Nutrition www.hammernutrition.com

Look chaos, believe whatever you want. The first article is authored by a guy who got his PhD in Holistic Nutrition from a home study course, I **** you not. The second article is the article that I addressed all 21 references yesterday. I am not going to look at the others. I am not trying to claim that the Hammer products are bad, I am claiming that their claims are advertising. There is evidence stating that protein+carbs aide in the recovery process more than a sugar solution or plain water. That is what Hammer is, and that is what Endurox is. I am not trying to convince you my sugar+whey protein is better than your maltodextrin+whey protein, but I am trying to convince you that Hammer's claims that their products are better than some other companies equivalent products are complete bullshit. To summarize, I am not anti-product or anti-water, but I am anti-misleading advertising.

Look chaos, believe whatever you want. The first article is authored by a guy who got his PhD in Holistic Nutrition from a home study course, I **** you not. The second article is the article that I addressed all 21 references yesterday. I am not going to look at the others. I am not trying to claim that the Hammer products are bad, I am claiming that their claims are advertising. There is evidence stating that protein+carbs aide in the recovery process more than a sugar solution or plain water. That is what Hammer is, and that is what Endurox is. I am not trying to convince you my sugar+whey protein is better than your maltodextrin+whey protein, but I am trying to convince you that Hammer's claims that their products are better than some other companies equivalent products are complete bullshit. To summarize, I am not anti-product or anti-water, but I am anti-misleading advertising. didn't post it with the intent to convince you to change products. as previously stated, i have no vested interest here but this thread started with an inquiry and i don't believe that "sugar is sugar" was an answer that does said question justice. so...... there is information. do with it what you will.

This is hilarious. I just ordered some Hammer Recoverite the other day before reading all this. I guess the only thing I can be assured of is that it has less calories ... Not to rain on your parade, but you can always water things down to decrease calories. qbrain is absolutely right. Carbs and protein post-workout is effective. Supplement companies try to make this sound way more complicated than it really is. You can't just have any carbs, no! You must have our specially engineered maltodextrin that has been filtered through rare humpback baleen for ultimate purity! Personally, I have fruit after I work out. Food is a lot cheaper than supplements.

i don't believe that "sugar is sugar" was an answer that does said question justice. You are right. Jazz this is all your fault. :bitching: I did learn one thing yesterday while pretending to be a research librarian. Large amounts of fructose can cause diaherra, but an even glucose/fructose mix, like what is found in sucrose and HFCS used in food and beverages, was fine. So sugar is not sugar, fructose is sugar that gives you the ****s. I just ordered some Hammer Recoverite the other day before reading all this. I guess the only thing I can be assured of is that it has less calories ... Endurox has 4:1 carb to protein and uses sucrose as a sweetener, Recoverite has 3:1 carb to protein and uses stevia as a sweetener. You could make something similar with whey protein, sugar and sugar free kool aide, or drink fat free chocolate milk. All are more similar than different, so if you like it, who cares about the advertising.

I like Accelerade although I make it as 3 parts Lemon-Lime or Orange Accelerade/1 part Gu Tri-Berry gel. It cuts the sweetness (important since I don't have a sweet tooth) and seems to work as well as pure Accelerade. BTW, if you don't like the price of Accelerade, you can make your own with some effort for alot cheaper. Just get the patent number(s) off a can, go to the US government's patent office web site and look up the patent. The ingredients are listed and you can figure out the amounts. Then get the basic ingredients from a discount health website or similar and make your own. You can do this pretty much for any supplement with a patent number. -LBJ