How fast do you kick compared to swimming?
This is prompted by a set in pwb's High Volume Workouts where a kicking interval/100 was 20 seconds more than normal swimming interval.
The question: What is the spread between your challenge interval for 5x100 swimming and 5x100 kicking?
In my case, I can kick fly on an interval 40 seconds slower than the fastest interval I can make for 5x100 swimming. Free kick is 10 seconds slower (slower than fly kicking).
If it was only 5 I could hold 1:15 per 100 SCM on the swim part. 5x100 SCM kick would be around 1:35-1:40 each alternating 25dolphin/25flutter with a board. There wouldn't be much happening after 1000m done this way though. Prolly a cooldown and a nap.
No idea on SCY. Probably 1:05-1:10 swim and 1:25-1:30 kick if i had to guess.
Swimming speed is dependent on kicking speed.
Kicking speed is independent of swimming speed.
Those statements are contradictory. But I suspect you are talking about causation, not (statistical) independence, in which case I agree.
Wookiee is still half-crazed from Tennessee's massive fold against Gator Nation, so we can safely ignore his babbling.
If you are saying that the variables are completely independent, I would have to disagree, though the correlation is probably weaker for distance swimmers.
The relationship also is different for different strokes. For instance, for me the difference between freestyle swimming (no snorkel) and kicking face-down with snorkel probably is about :35-:40 (1:12/1:50), but the difference between backstroke swimming and kicking face up (6-8 SDK off each wall either with or without arms) is only about :20 (1:25/1:45). If I did the freestyle swimming with snorkel the spread probably would drop to :30-:35; don't know that I could do 5 on 1:15 with snorkel but I could do 1:20.
Probably not coincidentally, my 100s and 200s backstroke are stronger compared to my peers than my 100s and 200s freestyle, although I am strongest compared to other women in my age group at longer freestyle races.
The relationship also is different for different strokes.
Good point. And while being good at flutter and dolphin kick seem pretty strongly related, the same probably isn't true of frog kick. I bet I'm the slowest breaststroke kicker here.
Have we heard from breaststrokers? Is it even possible to be a good breastroker without a decent kick?
Have we heard from breaststrokers? Is it even possible to be a good breastroker without a decent kick?
I haven't timed a 100 breaststroke kick, but my best 50 with a board is about 12 seconds slower than my current best 50 breaststroke swim from a push off. Is that good/bad/ugly/? I haven't a clue...
If you are saying that the variables are completely independent, I would have to disagree, though the correlation is probably weaker for distance swimmers. (And nowadays some of those elite distance types can really get the motor going back there at the end of the race!)
Swimming speed is dependent on kicking speed.
Kicking speed is independent of swimming speed.
So no, not completely independent.
Though you do seem to be quite the outlier...but I mean that in a good way: an exceptionally fast swimmer for your kick speed! :)
I will do 5x100 on 2:15 SCM best average tomorrow just to verify that I am really as exceptional as I think I am. The consensus seems to be that I should be in the 1:40 to 1:45 range if I can swim 5x100 on 1:15 scm.
Wookiee is still half-crazed from Tennessee's massive fold against Gator Nation, so we can safely ignore his babbling.
Considering that I am alum of AU, not UT, I am not half-crazed from that disappointing outing of the Vols. Please feel free to ignore my babblings. The majority of people ignore me.
Those statements are contradictory. But I suspect you are talking about causation, not (statistical) independence, in which case I agree.
Definitely a poor choice of terms, but mathematically what I claim should be a fallacy. If I write a function for swimming speed that includes kicking speed, I should be able to solve for kicking speed and a factor would be swimming speed, would it not?
More accurately I should have said that pulling speed is independent of kicking speed.
It always amazes me that even DISTANCE people can kick faster than me.
I like this thread. It actually makes me feel like I'm not that bad of a kicker! :banana:
Here's a little anecdote for you. A few years ago when I was swimming with Husky Masters the assistant coaches for the University of Washington (they still had a team then) coached the masters group. When they were feeling us out initially they did pretty good giving us swimming sets that were challenging but that we could make. Kick sets were another story. My recollection is they thought 100s kick on 1:30 should be no problem for us. It was a problem. I guess the moral of this story is college swimmers tend to be better kickers (comparatively) than masters swimmers.
