Canada has to follow their own rules. Although ours are more stringent. I assume the rules have been changed since the last time I was in Canada in 2005. I don't recall being notified of the changes though. Are the new rules published when enacted and when did they become effective? Is the potential affect and cost of the rule also published? I don't recall ever reveiving notification and I don't have time to read the minutes every year.
I just want to express my sincere condolences to all swimmers who had inadmissible TT times through no fault of their own.
Canada has to follow their own rules. ... Are the new rules published when enacted and when did they become effective? Is the potential affect and cost of the rule also published? I don't recall ever reveiving notification and I don't have time to read the minutes every year.
I also regret that the times didn't count for USMS (they are still submitted to FINA though), but I disagree with one part of Allen's statement. When they choose to participate in an unsanctioned meet, swimmers bear some measure of responsibility if they want to be sure their times are going to count for USMS Top 10. That includes knowledge of the Rule Book, which is updated every year.
Yes, Canada has its own rules...and USMS likewise can't be expected to take full responsibility for meets that are not sanctioned by USMS. That doesn't mean the times can't count for USMS purposes if you do due diligence:
2012 Canadian Nationals in Kelowna, B.C. - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums
If you don't have time to stay on top of things -- we are all busy -- then I would suggest sticking to sanctioned meets. Nothing is foolproof (mistakes can happen, pools can be too short) but your chances are significantly better.
Thanks Allen! Had I known that my Canadian times would not count I still would have gone to Montreal. It is a half day drive a much cheaper meet and I like the city.
Chris as far as reading the rule book, I am not going to do that. It is my understanding that a motion to accept the Montreal results could have been granted notwithstanding the rule.
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Does anyone know why the swims from the South Central Regional Championships in San Antonio in early December were not included in top ten? I believe they were submitted in a timely manner, so maybe a short pool?
So, everyone who has done other foreign country Masters Nationals, had a steel tape or the laser one with them along with all their luggage, tech suits, goggle, etc. It is fine to have this for driving meets. Not every official is going to measure a pool. Some may be accomodating because they know the person that they are measuring for it. The rest look at you like you are speaking Klingon.
Does anyone know why the swims from the South Central Regional Championships in San Antonio in early December were not included in top ten? I believe they were submitted in a timely manner, so maybe a short pool?
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Thanks Allen! Had I known that my Canadian times would not count I still would have gone to Montreal. It is a half day drive a much cheaper meet and I like the city.
Chris as far as reading the rule book, I am not going to do that. It is my understanding that a motion to accept the Montreal results could have been granted notwithstanding the rule.
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned on the other Canadian Nationals thread that the meet director told me that the pool would not be measured long before the meet. Among other reasons, this caused me to cancel my trip. (It was an expensive flight for me too.)
Sorry about both you and Karlene losing your times. That does suck.
"Speaking Klingon" is indeed apt, Tom.
