2009 News WSJ Older, Wiser, Slower After 50

Older, Wiser, Slower After 50, Avid Athletes Find That to Stay Healthy, They Must Let Go of the Need to Win
  • Former Member
    Former Member
    I didn't call anyone a ninny Don't fret, I call myself a ninny. Some other sage here just beat me to it. I just said we probably need to push our kids a bit harder You say push, I say guide. Semantics I guess. To keep to topic, maybe we should hand out a ribbon to every 50-year-old who doesn't want a burst aorta. I'll bet the majority of ribbions would be picked up at that meet.
  • June Krauser gave me good advice years ago: "Don't look back. Establish PRs for each group and be happy with that." I've always liked this kind of advice. Every 5 years you get to start fresh; it takes the sting out of a birthday, especially a "big" one like 40 or 50 or 60 (as they say, it sure beats the alternative). Every year, my general goals for a particular event in order of increasing difficulty are: -- improve my time on an age-adjusted scale like this one. -- beat last year's time. -- set a new PR for my current age group (though that is easier than the previous goal if you just aged up...:))
  • Swimming technique, mental preparedness, goggles, better designed workouts, these have been the difference for me in my times from college days (1970) to now. I don't plan to slow down. I expect that my best times are still ahead of me!!!:banana: LCM 50 free 20 - 26.74 55 - 28.82 60 - 28.32 200 free 20 - 2:15.75 55 - 2:21.23 60 - 2:22.10 400 free 20 - 5:04.20 55 - 5:02.97 60 - 5:01.81 800 free 20 - 10:47.96 55 - 10:50.90 60 - 10:34.50
  • Former Member
    Former Member
    But does sprinting require any training at all? Is it even real racing? I don't think there is enough time in a 50 free for my HR to get above 100... :) basically what it comes down to is you are not strong enough physically to get your heart rate up without extended excercise. That is cool, I wouldn't be bragging about it, though.
  • Here's around 20 good reason reasons why that article is all hogwash. 50 Freestyle SCY Men 50-54 (2009) # Name Age Club LMSC Time 1 Ambrose Gaines 50 BLU Florida 21.38 2 Jack R Groselle 54 O*H* Lake Erie 21.97 3 Richard F Kammerer 51 RICE Gulf 22.26 4 Jerry Spencer 50 ARKM Arkansas 22.39 5 John L Oberto 50 CVAS Pacific 22.45 6 Barry Roth 54 ARIZ Arizona 22.50 7 Mike L Schmitz 50 MICH Michigan 22.58 8 Fritz W Homans 51 MESC New England 22.68 9 Maxwell B Stinchcombe 52 TXLA South Texas 22.77 10 Joe Wotton 50 GOLD Florida Gold Coast 22.78 100 Freestyle SCY Men 50-54 (2009) # Name Age Club LMSC Time 1 Ambrose Gaines 50 BLU Florida 46.59 2 Jack R Groselle 54 O*H* Lake Erie 47.92 3 Bob Bugg 51 GAJA Georgia 48.77 4 Rick Abbott 53 AKMS Alaska 49.35 5 Rick Kammerer 51 RICE Gulf 49.47 6 Mike L Schmitz 50 MICH Michigan 49.48 7 Fritz W Homans 51 MESC New England 49.66 8 Maxwell B Stinchcombe 52 TXLA South Texas 49.67 9 Michael J Blatt 53 VCM Southern Pacific 49.71 10 Michael T Mann 54 CMS Colorado 49.89 RIGHT ON!
  • Here's around 20 good reason reasons why that article is all hogwash. But does sprinting require any training at all? Is it even real racing? I don't think there is enough time in a 50 free for my HR to get above 100... :)
  • But does sprinting require any training at all? Ironically, Fort and Jazzbone left the secret sprinter handbook out on deck the other day and I stumbled upon it. It was actually one page long and printed on a post it note. Here is what it says for a typical workout: Drive to pool, rest 30 minutes Walk inside, chat 30 minutes Change in locker room, rest 10 minutes Main set - 6 X 12.5 @ 8:00 minutes Cool down in shower, dress, return to car Claim a 2 hour workout on the forum
  • Former Member
    Former Member
    Here's around 20 good reason reasons why that article is all hogwash. 50 Freestyle SCY Men 50-54 (2009) # Name Age Club LMSC Time 1 Ambrose Gaines 50 BLU Florida 21.38 2 Jack R Groselle 54 O*H* Lake Erie 21.97 3 Richard F Kammerer 51 RICE Gulf 22.26 4 Jerry Spencer 50 ARKM Arkansas 22.39 5 John L Oberto 50 CVAS Pacific 22.45 6 Barry Roth 54 ARIZ Arizona 22.50 7 Mike L Schmitz 50 MICH Michigan 22.58 8 Fritz W Homans 51 MESC New England 22.68 9 Maxwell B Stinchcombe 52 TXLA South Texas 22.77 10 Joe Wotton 50 GOLD Florida Gold Coast 22.78 100 Freestyle SCY Men 50-54 (2009) # Name Age Club LMSC Time 1 Ambrose Gaines 50 BLU Florida 46.59 2 Jack R Groselle 54 O*H* Lake Erie 47.92 3 Bob Bugg 51 GAJA Georgia 48.77 4 Rick Abbott 53 AKMS Alaska 49.35 5 Rick Kammerer 51 RICE Gulf 49.47 6 Mike L Schmitz 50 MICH Michigan 49.48 7 Fritz W Homans 51 MESC New England 49.66 8 Maxwell B Stinchcombe 52 TXLA South Texas 49.67 9 Michael J Blatt 53 VCM Southern Pacific 49.71 10 Michael T Mann 54 CMS Colorado 49.89
  • Ironically, Fort and Jazzbone left the secret sprinter handbook out on deck the other day and I stumbled upon it. It was actually one page long and printed on a post it note. Here is what it says for a typical workout: Drive to pool, rest 30 minutes Walk inside, chat 30 minutes Change in locker room, rest 10 minutes Main set - 6 X 12.5 @ 8:00 minutes Cool down in shower, dress, return to car Claim a 2 hour workout on the forum You forgot: Go to gym and do 4-5 exercises Sit in whirlpool Eat after Rag on people who need DVDs to work out
  • I read the article to mean that you can't keep doing the same times as you age. I think the article is wrong that 50 is the point of decline. I have never reached times that I did as a kid, but my best Masters times were at 50. My experience is that after 60, you can't hold on to your best times. June Krauser gave me good advice years ago: "Don't look back. Establish PRs for each group and be happy with that. If you keep swimming new events, you can get a PR." Health issues are always a concern. Many of us have various ills that cause problems at times. When I discuss my swimming and health with others in my age group (65-69), the best I can say is "I am swimming well. There is nothing wrong at the moment."