the unattainable....every stroke, turn, start, finish in practice perfect, in my race(s) the perfect start, turn, stroke and finish = 0.00
you think I'm kidding...
Alternate Max repetitions (light weight, 40-60 reps) one day
with Max weight (heavy weight, 8-12 reps) the next day...
I saw this on USA Swimming's site a couple weeks ago and thought it was pretty interesting: www.usaswimming.org/.../ViewMiscArticle.aspx
What do you think about this, Jazz Hands? I know you're really into weight lifting.
My thinking about weights has been to try to duplicate as best I can the swimming motions doing (for me) high weight/low rep. My thinking is that swimming is by it's nature a low weight/high rep exercise and that to build additional power I need high weight /low rep work.
this is steering off track from the threads question....but since its being discussed all add in and pass long the post below from the Race Club. If you didn't follow the Texas invite Nick just went 19.2, 42+, 1:34+, 1:47+ 200 fly all while being sick from a cold....the question of weights relative to swimming/sprint success is very debatable and very personal...personally I have gravitated away from heavy lifting and focused more on flexibility in recent years and have been doing OK..
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njBrunelli
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Location: tempe Arizona
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: No Weight Lifting For Sprinters??
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I am just wondering about something here for coaches and high level swimmers.
Of all the high level sprinters in the world, what do people think about a sprinter not doing a weight dominated dry-land workout? And I am talking about sprinters only. I had some HUGE success with not lifting weights over the last year due to my shoulder injury and was wondering what people thought about this? I did go a best time in my 50 free (22.01 LCM) without lifting a dumbbell over 40lbs all year.
Do Sprinters NEED heavy weights and max out?
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Great thread, Ande.
My goal is a fast 50 free. My plan is heavy lifting and fast swimming.
Check this forums.usms.org/showpost.php
As far as heavy lifting for sprints... hmmmm...
Considering the 50 free is anywhere from 25-40 strokes
I do recommend trying to lift lighter and a higher number
of repetitions to mimic what is required of your body on
race day...
The ultimate though is this... (Alison Shepard did this
for two years before the 2002 Commonwealth Games)
Alternate Max repetitions (light weight, 40-60 reps) one day
with Max weight (heavy weight, 8-12 reps) the next day...
It takes a few weeks before your body adapts, but this
is the ultimate in swimming/sprint performance.
Take a chance, it'll work...
Short-Term Goal: Qualify for the 2008 Long Course Meters Nationals. They are being held 30 minutes from my home and may not be in a more convenient place for another decade.
Medium-Term Goal: Continue swimming for many years. More particularly, join a team, compete regularly, improve technique and conditioning, and enjoy it along the way.
Long-Term Goal: Stay healthy and fit well into my 70's, 80's, 90's, and beyond. Swimming can do this for me.
I saw this on USA Swimming's site a couple weeks ago and thought it was pretty interesting: www.usaswimming.org/.../ViewMiscArticle.aspx
What do you think about this, Jazz Hands? I know you're really into weight lifting.
Louie Simmons, quoted in the article, is a powerlifting coach. He has his athletes do box squats and floor presses because those lifts develop explosiveness for competition lifts: deadlifts, squats, and bench press. It's an important element of training for them because the movements are so similar.
I'm skeptical that developing a quick onset of force production for squats and bench presses would have any transfer to swimming. The movements are just so different. Of course, I do box squats. But I do them because I think squat strength and technique is important for building muscle. The muscle is what makes the strength transfer happen in the water.
JMiller, I would like to use the same idea to respond to your suggestion. I prefer not to emulate swimming races in the weight room. I emulate them in the pool!
I'm skeptical that developing a quick onset of force production for squats and bench presses would have any transfer to swimming.
Would it help for turns?
my goal: build endurance. I'm about 10% behind my 50 free time from H.S. but about 15% behind in distance events
Would it help for turns?
Turns are more of a bouncy movement. The closest thing to a box squat in swimming is the start, and I don't think it's very close at all. Some would disagree, though. A lot of athletes do explosive lifting with the idea of being able to jump more explosively. I'm just making the educated guess that our brains aren't wired that way, and I'm basing my training on that.
I'll expand on this idea a little bit. I'm a saxophone player. I make very fast movements with my fingers when I play the saxophone. But sit me down at a piano and my fingers suddenly become very clumsy and unmusical. Why does that happen? The whole situation has changed, and I have to access a different procedural memory. My quickness is gone at the piano because my quickness was learned for the saxophone.
