Dara Torres-Amazing

This is ridiculous! Get a grip, tattletale. :lmao:

Dan, Anyone who cheats is going to claim they are clean and challenge anyone to refute them. I'm all for taking blood and freezing it for future testing..... but by then that person will probably be retired and have little impact on their career when they are out of the sport. Saying that you will have your samples frozen is merely a challenge to those who doubt. Heck, lets take all the winner's samples and freeze them. I'm for it. I don't see many people taking them up on it. Skip, You're medal counting and need to be careful as we are discussing "owning" an individual event........... not a relay. Owning an event like Tracy, Mary T. or Janet means setting a World record and going undefeated for long periods both at US nationals and World events. Dara has never established this. Dara is a spectacular sprinter, but she is not on the same level as these women. I'm sorry..... my wife trained with Mary T., I trained a summer in Gainesville and saw Tracy workout. These women were incredible in their events and dominated the field in their events every time they hit the water for years on end. For you to compare Dara's winning performances on an equal level to Phelps is truly absurd. John Smith

"All 3 of my children (14,12,8) swim competitively now. I have taught them that supplements and drugs beyond mere vitamins and protein powder are flat out cheating. I am confident they will not act foolishly in their future swimming career. I can not say that about a growing percentage of young swimmers who begin with lessor items as Creatine in highschool and expand from there in college and beyond." Dear Mr Goodsmith, I find it interesting reading your above quote. I over heard you telling your 14 year old at a meet 12 days ago, "take two sips of coffee before your race." I know that is not cheating, but isn't baby steps toward other enhancing drugs? I recall the reply of your child, "I don't want to. I want to do it on my own." It is remarkable your children can decifer your 'good' and 'evil' advice. Swimmingly yours, Evan Is this for real? :confused:

I for one, REALLY admire bodies like that! Sorry, she has always looked like Skeletor to me.

"All 3 of my children (14,12,8) swim competitively now. I have taught them that supplements and drugs beyond mere vitamins and protein powder are flat out cheating. I am confident they will not act foolishly in their future swimming career. I can not say that about a growing percentage of young swimmers who begin with lessor items as Creatine in highschool and expand from there in college and beyond." Dear Mr Goodsmith, I find it interesting reading your above quote. I over heard you telling your 14 year old at a meet 12 days ago, "take two sips of coffee before your race." I know that is not cheating, but isn't baby steps toward other enhancing drugs? I recall the reply of your child, "I don't want to. I want to do it on my own." It is remarkable your children can decifer your 'good' and 'evil' advice. Comparing other sports to swimming such as cycling and baseball is ridiculous. One of the may reasons for doping in the tour de france or alleged Barry Bonds doping is the money. There is a lot of money thrown at those athletes to win and break records. What type of compensation does a swimmer get for winning Nationals? Swimmingly yours, Evan

You know, I never understood Angel's excuse of the birth control pill. Was she saying that she was on that and that it read as a false positive? When I look on USA swimming's site, the major birth control pills are listed as legal. Strange. Was she just looking for an excuse? I assume quite a few female swimmers are on it and I've never known it to create false test results (meaning doping results - I had several friend get pregnant while on the pill!) Too many women are on the pill for reasons other than getting pregnant. And, you never know how you will react when you get off it. But, I'm guessing here that it was the only excuse she could come up with. . . For me, when I went off it, I got extremely fatigued to the point of crashing and this was a few months after going off it. My swimming was :cane::drown: for a while. Now, it's better. That excuse was a load of crap. But, then, everyone who tests positive has some excuse.

You know, I never understood Angel's excuse of the birth control pill. Was she saying that she was on that and that it read as a false positive? Yes, that was her excuse. I do think it was the only one she could come up with. I swam at Trials in 88 and saw her in person. I will never forget the size of her arms. :shakeshead:

Dear Mr Goodsmith, I find it interesting reading your above quote. I over heard you telling your 14 year old at a meet 12 days ago, "take two sips of coffee before your race." I know that is not cheating, but isn't baby steps toward other enhancing drugs? I recall the reply of your child, "I don't want to. I want to do it on my own." It is remarkable your children can decifer your 'good' and 'evil' advice. Comparing other sports to swimming such as cycling and baseball is ridiculous. One of the may reasons for doping in the tour de france or alleged Barry Bonds doping is the money. There is a lot of money thrown at those athletes to win and break records. What type of compensation does a swimmer get for winning Nationals? Swimmingly yours, Evan This is ridiculous! So what? I see parents shoving gatorade, sugar loaded coke, chocolate, energy bars, red bull, gu gels and pasta dinners at their kids all the time. Two sips of caffeine is hardly a step on the road to illegal supplements! Get a grip, tattletale. Many 14 years olds drink caffeinated soda or energy drinks all the time. As for the money point, we long ago moved on to attributing cheating in swimming to ego ... Read the posts.

Speaking of Phelps, he was on the Today show this morning sporting a bit of a 'fro. Maybe he's stashing some of Torres' alleged dope in that nest he has going.

Here's Inge. EDIT: Link didn't work, just a moment, looking for a picture I remember specifically. www.geocities.com/.../pics2000.html 3rd row, second from the left. Can't access your link. However, I've always loved DeBruijn's body type (at least from what I've seen online. Hopefully, there's not any photoshop going on). I remember commenting about her stellar bod to one of the age group coaches who promptly responded, "Ewwwww. . . She's too big - HUGE!" 'Course, what was really ironic was that he was about 300 pounds and very out of shape.