My 50 BR video --Working Link

I think ...if you tighten up the turn...and get the left shoulder down and a bit deeper underwater before pushing off...you'll pick up a few fractions of a second. Drop the left arm and shoulder immediately to set yourself up for a deep push off.

for some reason I have to keep going in and hitting update to get it to stick. Try again. I've sent a note for help to you tube. You're not missing much LOL

Another good breaststroke hand drill is underwater breaststroke pull with dolphin kick. Dead spots really show up. Full stroke underwater is also good.

Jim I will happily read everyone's version of the same advice. Besides page 2 is mostly Heather flexing her ego muscles by hijacking and disrupting another of my threads and mocking my times... I'm going to make her cry when I post a faster 50 fly than her... :D ;) Oh it's on ... you don't know who you are messing with ...

it's hard to see much from that angle a side angle might be more helpful you need a faster arm recovery get your upper body our of the water get your hands and forearms out of the water or close to the surface as you bring them foreward get streamlined then take your next stroke swim your 50 *** like these guys brendan hansen www.youtube.com/watch oleg lisodor www.youtube.com/watch Oh, that's how you are supposed to swim breaststroke ... ;) I think my kick is the worst part, followed closely by my pull ... :dunno: Kidding! Great vids Ande. Good luck this week/weekend!

Another good breaststroke hand drill is underwater breaststroke pull with dolphin kick. Dead spots really show up. Full stroke underwater is also good. I do 4x25 under water for breathing control. Hoping to get that longer pullout. Maybe I'll add dolphin kick *** arms. My SDK isn't always good.

It looks like Lisodor is bobbing his head quite a bit. It just goes to show you even the greats have elements of their strokes that could be improved upon. I'm serious when I say I watched that exact clip to work on my 50 race--he had a pretty flat stroke. My focus was on nearly continuous arm movement. So maybe I can work in a bit of head control and get some glide too. My big problem right now is getting up on the recovery...which means I have trouble breathing with my head locked straight. Which throws off my streamline yadda yada yadda. Anyone got any drills for getting up on the recovery?

Was it my imagination or were there two dolphin kicks happening after the dive in the Oleg Lisogor video?

Was it my imagination or were there two dolphin kicks happening after the dive in the Oleg Lisogor video? I thought you meant on mine...I was going to ask how you saw that! LOL

I have to say Rich that I am amazed that you were able to swim a 35 with that start and turn. The good news is that you can drop seconds off of your 50 time by doing nothing more than improving your start and turn! (IMO only perhaps?) I can't swim breaststroke worth a lick....but the one thing I can do "fairly decently" is a decent underwater pullout on the start and turn. I know you said you deliberately shortened your underwater pullout for that race....but IMO (which probably aint worth much I admit) ...I think you should try for about 12 - 14 yards underwater off the start and then another 10-12 yards underwater off the turn (even for a 50)....you can also throw a little dolphin kick in there before the breaststroke kick on the pullout as well. Do you spend a lot of time working on underwater pullouts by chance? ...underwater streamlining and such? I will be interested to see how much time you can drop after you fix the start and turn thing....you might be really suprised. Good Luck Rich. Cheerio Richie Boy, Newmastersswimmer BTW For some reason I only read the first page of this thread and thought I had read all of the postings here before I posted my comments.....Now when I go back and read pages 2 and 3 of the thread I can see that my observations have already been addressed by other swimmers with far far more expertise than me....sorry about that Richie old chap!