I'm not too worried about the turning aspects...just a little unsure of what to do at the backstroke to *** turn.
Also any good workouts for this?
I'm doing 900 free for warm up (0-1650 in 6 weeks) then trey to do another 1500 per workout.
I've obviously been hitting *** but want to get some fly and back work in as well as turns--obviously I can always go to the wall and touch then turn but that's inefficient.
Is doing a 100 IM then hitting sets of 50 of fly and back or what? I've ordered a couple of books for reference and they should get here shortly.
Any thoughts or articles?
Former Member
20 years ago I would have said, "what's the big deal with a 200fly?" I did that and the 400 IM in almost every college swim meet. Now I think a 50 is too long. They should have a 25 fly in masters!:rofl:
As someone who can't swim back or *** worth beans I view the 100IM as an opportunity to do a 25 fly. :D
Interesting thing with the 200IM. I did a set a few days ago, 1st 2 with fins and doing dolphin kick on the *** leg, and last 2 without fins and legal kick on *** (NO BUTTERFROG!). There was no difference in time between with or without fins.
What?! I had to read that twice. How can this be? I usually guesstimate 10 seconds per hundred or so ... What kind of fins are you using? Fins + wicked SDK usually = speed. Maybe you have a better breaststroke kick than you thought?
OK I am back.
I have discovered 2 things.
All strokes other than *** are silly and life threatening.
Also, I can do 100IM in 1:25 -1:30 I was too busy staving off the aneurism to look at the clock clearly!!
That 125 drill was the hardest thing I've done. I had to quit after 4 reps.
Good news is I think my fly isn't as bad as my back LOL
I felt ok with the Fly, I was undulating just over and under the surface, or it felt like it. I didn't worry about the kick I let it happen. Just tried to get my chest going down with my arm entry, butt up, and then hips down on on the recovery before the hands left water again at the start of the pull.
Good news is I think my fly isn't as bad as my back LOL
I felt ok with the Fly, I was undulating just over and under the surface, or it felt like it. I didn't worry about the kick I let it happen. Just tried to get my chest going down with my arm entry, butt up, and then hips down on on the recovery before the hands left water again at the start of the pull.
posted by Little Richard...LOL!!
Sounds like you are slowing transforming into a distance butterflier....You mentioned in an earlier posting on this thread I believe that you were starting to get the timing and momentum going with your fly....Sounds like my evil plan to convert all breaststrokers into butterfliers is really working :thhbbb: .....LOL!!
Newmastersswimmer
I totally disagree swim fly when you are tired, the more your shoulder hurts the better - don't stop until the clicking sound is replaced with a much louder ripping/tearing sound. For good measure keep swimming fly until there is nothing left to rip or tear and/or your arm actually falls off of your body. Then you know you have gone through enough pain to swim a 200 fly. Let's be honest the 200 fly is a bit short ... sign up for that short little 500 free and do that fly, then the mile ...
It's all fun and games until someone tears a tendon ...
Fins (zoomers) + weak-a** kick equals no difference.:rofl:
Whatcha using those things for? I hate zoomers (except maybe the finis 2, which I had but lost). They're like having stubs for feet. If you're going to use fins, use real fins or those split cut fins for a more natural kick. Forget it, just get the darn monofin. I think it's really helped my SDK.
As for FlyQueen's soliloquoy, :rofl: , FlyQueen, you've been FeistQueen lately. I'm expecting you any minute to make those "cheaters" at your practices do 500s flys with no fins on the 6:00 ... Is it all because of V Day? Mine was the same as yours. :rofl: Or were just describing what's going to happen to Jim-Bo when he really gets back in shape and starts cranking out those 200s?
Whatcha using those things for? I hate zoomers (except maybe the finis 2, which I had but lost). They're like having stubs for feet. If you're going to use fins, use real fins or those split cut fins for a more natural kick. Forget it, just get the darn monofin. I think it's really helped my SDK.
The monofin better be here by my b-day next week or I'll be writing something on the "Women are Trouble" thread. :joker:
What?! I had to read that twice. How can this be? I usually guesstimate 10 seconds per hundred or so ... What kind of fins are you using? Fins + wicked SDK usually = speed. Maybe you have a better breaststroke kick than you thought?
Fins (zoomers) + weak-a** kick equals no difference.:rofl:
swim fly when you are tired,
Although this was said in jest, I think this is a good idea; that last 25 of a 100 (esp LCM) can be a killer. Or it can be where one overtakes his/her more fatigued competition. I will often do a 50 fly for time off the blocks to finish off a practice. I know my form is off a little bit, but at least I have practiced managing an efficient and effective fatigued fly. :dedhorse:
FlyQueen, you've been FeistQueen lately ... Is it all because of V Day?
Perhaps someone needs a vday meal after the fact next week...:drink:
