Are Triathletes worth the dues they pay toward Masters Swimming?
I say we force all Triathletes to spend one day a week in the sprint lane, one day a week doing stroke (i.e. IM) work, and then make them focus on their starts and turns.
This invasion needs to be controlled.... :-)
John Smith
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I kinda like not being special anymore.
you're special to me ;)
I seem to have misplaced my personal filter. I think I may have loaned it to Geek in Charlotte. Please clean it before you return it to me.
BTW, I felt like I was going to spew dreck in the gutter today after our last set.
Our coach writes multiple workouts--Nationals, Tri, and Masters. During the day they offer fitness type workouts as well as sessions for adults new to swimming. So far this approach seems to be very well received.
(I did a quick drivel check on my post and didn't find any.)
They want everyone to swim drills never any stroke correction they believe drills solve any problems. Swimmers do drills wrong to get any benifit from drills.
I agree, practice does not make perfect it makes permanent. I learned that from Russian Instructor that worked for me. If you practice wrong you get better at being wrong.
I, unfortunately, don't know enough about proper techniques so I need a coach. I also can only tell if a coach is bad by the non-swimming aspects: are they watching the swimmers, are they modifying workouts base on individual needs, are they motivating the swimmers, do they keep it fun,...
I think many of the posters here are in the same boat. If you don't have a strong background in competitive swimming you have to rely on the coach for guidance. :2cents:
(desperately, trying to word this so I don't Creep you or Fort out;))
Most people want to have 60 min of instructions and want everything at one time I like to teach short lessons and do corrections one at a time. 5 - 30 min sessions are better then 5 - 60 min sessions.
Most people want to have 60 min of instructions and want everything at one time I like to teach short lessons and do corrections one at a time. 5 - 30 min sessions are better then 5 - 60 min sessions.
Yeah, what's up with that? I can't seem to get anyone to work on ONE STROKE in 30 minutes, never mind one correction, and I'm the student. Perhaps my bad swimming is really so boring they're hoping that if we go through all the strokes really fast they'll find SOMETHING I can do tolerably well.
Yeah, what's up with that? I can't seem to get anyone to work on ONE STROKE in 30 minutes, never mind one correction, and I'm the student. Perhaps my bad swimming is really so boring they're hoping that if we go through all the strokes really fast they'll find SOMETHING I can do tolerably well.
Things happen so fast in 30 minutes, we can go from an almost none swimmer to a swimmer who can breathe correctly in a 30 minute time frame. I have to slow them down to work on what they learned in 30 minutes. When I am in Mexico half the people I work with only speak Spanish and I do not speak Spanish very well, but they can accomplish it well. I teach by touch and demonstration.
It seems to me you want a do what I say coach who cannot adapt to the needs of his clients. After all they are clients and generally pay for his services. I myself would never swim for anyone who told me to do backstroke or breaststroke and I am not a triathlete. All are not 4 stroke swimmers.
My suggestion to four stroke swimmers go elsewhere.
George, or maybe you would find a freestyle only coach/workout? Seems counterproductive to me to suggest that people wanting to swim all four strokes go somewhere else. Swimming all four strokes is a good thing because it taxes other muscle groups/aerobic capability. Just my 2 lempiras worth.
I'm an "only freestyler" now but I am not superior enough to suggest others go elsewhere. And now that I am in Texas for awhile, I have a much bigger problem: finding a pool that isn't over 88 degrees!
George, or maybe you would find a freestyle only coach/workout? Seems counterproductive to me to suggest that people wanting to swim all four strokes go somewhere else. Swimming all four strokes is a good thing because it taxes other muscle groups/aerobic capability. Just my 2 lempiras worth.
I'm an "only freestyler" now but I am not superior enough to suggest others go elsewhere. And now that I am in Texas for awhile, I have a much bigger problem: finding a pool that isn't over 88 degrees!
You read what I said wrong. I am saying if the coach is not a real coach and does not plan his coaching around all of his swimmers wants, dislikes, an abilities he is not a coach. I have run in to this type of coach and to me they are really not coaching or teaching. They know all of the terminogly and follow a book made up by someone on the internet. You can get in shape with these so called coaches but you will never learn any thing from them.
Swimming is more then swimming set down unflexable workouts. Reason I don't swim on a masters team.
They want everyone to swim drills never any stroke correction they believe drills solve any problems. Swimmers do drills wrong to get any benifit from drills.
They want swimmers who can not do breaststroke to do breaststroke. My knees have given me trouble since I was a teen. I have two knew knees and if I do more then a few actual kicks it is hospital for me. I can actually do a great demonstration kick but if I apply power the both knees blow up.
These coaches want me to do backstroke, I have told everyone my problem there - I just happen to get very seasick when I swim on my back.
Butterfly they want me to workout too hard on fly. I only did 25s and 50s when I practiced fly. I was close to 1 min for the hundred meters during the development years for fly in 1956, 57, 58. Why would I want to do more then that now.
