Elisabeth Tinnon, a rookie breaststroker at U of Texas at the Big 12 champs on Friday night. At her first turn in the 100 *** she touched with both hands, and then did a flip turn (like a freestyle flip) She was not DQ'd. IT did appear that she picked up ground on the rest of the field. Has anyone seen this before.
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The brush turn is the only way this turn works. If you poke at the wall your momentum carries you into the wall, you need to brush the wall and keep the hands moving down fast and tight so that you end up on your back.
Pushing off on your back, then twisting immediately "past the vertical towards the ***" makes this a fast turn when done right.
Thank you for reminding me about the brush turn. I am getting old, CRS!
I can do it, though I have only tried a couple of times. For whatever reason, though I'm not flexable, I can ball up pretty well and can flip pretty close to the wall. I think I tried it after someone here said that it was allowed in the rules. I don't think it helped me, but then I only tried it a couple of times.
Interesting idea.
Since Lefty saw this can he give us a more complete report.
First, did she flip ALL of her turns?
Second, did she touch the wall with her hands slightly below the water?
For those breaststrokers that have experimented with some of the training techniques popularized by Mike Barrowman can report that you get incredible push off when flipping breaststroke turns (of course in this training routine you don't touch the wall with your hands) but you also pay a pretty good price in terms of oxygen debt (actually CO2 build up).
This is pure speculation but I guess that she touched with her hands just below the surface of the water and didn't flip all of her turns. You also have to be careful that when you come off the wall on your back that you return to the *** before your first pulldown or you will be DQ'd.
Originally posted by breastroker
.4 Turns - At each turn, the touch shall be made with both hands simultaneously at, above, or below the water surface, and the shoulders shall be in line with the water surface.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I thought you were talking about turning with the hands NOT level. How does this jibe with the above quoted rule? Doesn't the "shoulders in line" thing pretty much mean your hands needs to be in line, too?
Actually the previous rules specifically required the hands to touch level, the new wording allows the hands to be at different levels so long as the shoulders are in line with the waters surface.
So one hand can be lower than the other, so long as they arrive at the wall simultaneously.:D One hand goes lower while the other goes towards the ears. So touching one hand lower than the other is naturally helpful in the breaststroke and butterflu turns.
Breaststroke has always been a stroke of rules, subtle rule changes can be huge.
Years ago as a 15 or 16 year old, I got DQ for having my hands not touch parellel in the *** and fly. I'm concern that officials judging masters meets may not be updated in the changes in the rules.
Officials are great, they know the rules a whole lot better that the swimmers. They keep up to date, Masters rules usually follow USA and FINA rules.
In our LMSC, we make sure each official has the latest rule book, because we give them one:D Just call us pro-active, but not DQ'd
Well, the woman mention in the ***-flip is very tall at 6'1". So as Wayne mention she has a long reach out. Also, as a kid I use to swim 50 fly the same times as 50 free. I wonder if I could have done fly faster with a flip.
I tried this again last night, I'm not so sure it's for me. My arms are only just long enough and I think it is easier at speed to not do a flip turn. It will be interesting to see if anyone starts to do flip turns for ***.
