.. if I discover a major tabulation error in the results 30 days later... I'm going to amend the results and make the correction.
Just make sure you are an official Timing Judge per the rulebook because the Timing Judge official (or Admin Ref) is who authorizes official times. Most Top Ten recorders are not officials. I imagine a loophole is the Meet Director later submits a correction to their official results due to an error (split request form that was lost and then found...). :bolt:
You are obviously upset about this, but I think the point you are missing is the Top Ten Recorders are typically not in a position to certify a swim as an official time and the original Rule proposal tried to give the TTR the ability to do this.
Tby request that every one of my splits be considered as an official time". I would encourage all swimmers going to any meet to bury the Meet Director and Meet Referee with official requests for splits during the meet for every swim that they participate in.
As it is... so at the end of the meet, we consider the results official. Guess what... if I discover a major tabulation error in the results 30 days later... I'm going to amend the results and make the correction. Sorry, your time of 9:35.65 in the 1650 freestyle was a technical error, and you do not get the world record just because we didn't notice it before the end of the meet.
-Rick
So you want to make it even harder to find people willing to volunteer to be meet directors and officials? At some meets, finding those to do the jobs is hard enough. Adding more work on them just because you aren't happy with a ruling isn't the solution.
This video, YouTube - We are U.S. Masters Swimming, was shown at the aquatic awards banquet on Saturday night.
Was this video produced specifically for the awards banquet? It seemed to be 96% about competition.
At the meet I host Nov 6 in Virginia Beach, I am going to have a Sign-Up sheet at the Registration/Check-in desk for split requests. I am going to try to alert swimmers that they can request splits if there is a chance that the split time might make top10. I'll have to talk to the referee about what information he/she needs during the meet. At the end of the meet, I plan to have the referee authorize the split times from the printouts. Then, I can deal with the paperwork the next day. Does that sound like it will work?
Records are another matter - we have to have the referee sign the forms that day. Because we offer the distance relays for SCM, we hope to have several new relay records. And there are a few individuals, Chris Stevenson included, who may get individual records.
At the end of the meet, I plan to have the referee authorize the split times from the printouts. Then, I can deal with the paperwork the next day. Does that sound like it will work?
It should work, as long as you have access to the raw data for the heat of the split requests. To truly verify a split time when there is some question about it (since you don't have buttons or manual watches to compare again) it is sometimes necessary to compare the splits to those of the rest of the heat.
For example, you can tell if a touchpad was incorrectly triggered if (say) lane 5 is ahead of lane 6 and widening the lead...and suddenly there is an odd outcome because s/he missed the pad or it was triggered by someone else (eg someone filling up his goggles).
I noticed at PR that there were LOTS of weird split results on some events. I don't envy Walt Reid having to go through those.
Of course, sometimes someone enters an event like 800 free but really wants a 100 time. That person may blast the first 100 and then take a LONG time to do the next 50-100 before resuming at cruise speed. On the printout the resulting splits might look a little wacky. I would think a meet referee would want to make note of this when it happens. (Allowing split requests after the fact makes this practice a little complicated.)
To add... I don't believe there is anything that requires you to complete record forms the same day, beyond convenience. At our big meets, I do record applications after the meet, and FedEx the paperwork to our referee to sign, then get them back, make copies, and send in. Depending on what access you have to your referee after the meet, that is an option.
If you are new to running meets... One thing to also do is keep any notes that are written by key people. For example, our referee, place judge, timing operator, etc. all have heat sheets that are marked up with order of finish, empty lanes, etc. Encourage those people to also note anything unusual on their heat sheets. Then be sure someone collects those heat sheets and gets them into your files. For example, if we have an 800 swimmer go out hard for a 100 split, typically one or more people will mark something about it in their heat sheet. So when digging through the paperwork later, you can get confirmation that a "fast" split for that lane "makes sense".
-Rick
Was this stopwatch or touchpad timing? With automatic/touchpad timing, only the signature of the referee is required, along with printouts from the timing system, etc. I don't recall the policy for stopwatch only timing.
-Rick
You're right, I never noticed that wording. In years of submitting record applications, I have never submitted a timer signatures. It seems this wording on the record application could be clarified either way. :-)
In our championship meets anyways, we only have two human timers per lane, which is sufficient when using touchpads. So I could never get three timer signatures anyways.
-Rick
