I'm content to just walk away from this. I get it. People don't want this rule changed. That's fine. We'll get people to do more paperwork at the meet. If they complain after, we'll remind them that this issue failed at convention, and they can complain to the Rules Committee.
-Rick
If they complain after, we'll remind them that this issue failed at convention, and they can complain to the Rules Committee.
Don't complain to them. The Rules Committee didn't withdraw the proposal, Records and Tabulation did. I'm pretty used to complaints; for example, recently there has been this meet director who is unhappy with my efforts on his behalf and publicly derided them as "flawed."
Can you explain to me how your paperwork would decrease if you allow swimmers more time to request splits (ie, to submit more paperwork)? I'm pretty sure the opposite would happen.
I would encourage all swimmers going to any meet to bury the Meet Director and Meet Referee with official requests for splits during the meet for every swim that they participate in.
-Rick
Knowing a few meet directors, I have seen just how hard they work at the meets. I can't imagine flooding them with any extra paperwork for splits. I know most of my splits wouldn't make Top Ten, so why bother to burden a meet director? Oh, yea, cause someone that didn't get what he wanted at convention is being a brat about the issue? No thanks. Meet directors bust their humps enough already(and yes, I know you are one too.)
Second thought, if happen to be a meet director and I attend the meet, then I will burden you with the extra paperwork
I would encourage all swimmers going to any meet to bury the Meet Director and Meet Referee with official requests for splits during the meet for every swim that they participate in.
Oh good, another reason to charge for split requests!!
Rick, I believe you have some good reasoning as to why to allow requests to be submitted after the meet is over. I, for one, missed out on a Top 10/All American time last year because I forgot to submit a request for the 800 of a 1500. That's my (the swimmer's) fault for not knowing/remembering the rules.
However, as good as meet directors, timing judges and admin referees may be, I don't trust the accuracy of decisions made a month after the meet. Think of backstroke as an example of an after-the-meet split request gone wrong. How is the referee to remember that a particular swimmer in a particular lane did or did not do a flip turn (ie illegal finish for backstroke) at the 50 or 100 of a 100 or 200? See the problem?
Sorry, your time of 9:35.65 in the 1650 freestyle was a technical error, and you do not get the world record just because we didn't notice it before the end of the meet.
And all this time I'd been holding out hope that my 38 split for the first 100 of the 200 LCM fly two months ago would eventually be recognized... I broke Phelps' 100 fly WR by 11 seconds!!! Although... it occurs to me now that maybe I shouldn't have posted video evidence to the contrary... hindsight is 20-20... :badday:
Any details on why R49 (allow splits for top-10 within 30 days of meet) was withdrawn?
The issue was designating split times as Official Times. Top 10 recorders are not allowed to do it, and the Records and Tabulation Committee decided that it would be too much of a hassle for the meet referee (or admin ref) to do it after the meet was over, particularly if there were a lot of post-meet split requests.
I believe someone also said that the meet results could not be official until all such split requests were received, meaning that meet results wouldn't be official until 30 days after the meet. I don't know the reasoning behind that statement; but by that point in the meeting it was clear that most of the Committee was against the proposal. The vote was unanimous to withdraw the proposal.
Bottom line: it is much easier to determine if a split time is legit at the meet itself.
I believe someone also said that the meet results could not be official until all such split requests were received, meaning that meet results wouldn't be official until 30 days after the meet. I don't know the reasoning behind that statement; but by that point in the meeting it was clear that most of the Committee was against the proposal. The vote was unanimous to withdraw the proposal.
Bottom line: it is much easier to determine if a split time is legit at the meet itself.
This is frustrating, and is such a disservice to swimmers.
The rule proposal that I was looking for was to _ALLOW_ for this to be possible, not _REQUIRE_ that it be possible.
If should be up to ME as a meet director, in conjunction with my Meet Referee, to determine if I am willing to do the work to verify splits after the meet is over.
Well... my guess is that from now on, we will just include blanket text in every meet entry form that says "I hereby request that every one of my splits be considered as an official time". I would encourage all swimmers going to any meet to bury the Meet Director and Meet Referee with official requests for splits during the meet for every swim that they participate in.
As it is... so at the end of the meet, we consider the results official. Guess what... if I discover a major tabulation error in the results 30 days later... I'm going to amend the results and make the correction. Sorry, your time of 9:35.65 in the 1650 freestyle was a technical error, and you do not get the world record just because we didn't notice it before the end of the meet.
-Rick
