Kicking a 2 Fly?

Yes,perfectly legal.Before the rule change to require no more than 1 breaststroke kick/pull in butterfrog I had some friends who swam 200 fly all BR kick only.Think of it this way,there is no limit to the # of kicks/pull.You can do one kick/pull,2 kicks/pull,3 kicks/pull or 30/kicks/pull etc.

101.3.3 Kick—All up and down movements of the legs and feet must be simultaneous. The position of the legs or the feet need not be on the same level, but they shall not alternate in relation to each other. The breaststroke or whip kick may be used exclusively or interchangeably with the dolphin kick while doing the butterfly stroke at any time during the race. Only one breaststroke or whip kick is permitted per arm pull, except that a single breaststroke or whip kick is permitted prior to the turn and the finish without an arm pull. After the start and after each turn, a single breaststroke or whip kick is permitted prior to the first arm pull. A scissors kicking movement is not permitted. I think Allen is correct. The one kick per pull rule appears to apply only to the breaststroke or whip kick. You would just need to stay on the *** after the start: From the beginning of the first arm pull, the body shall be kept on the ***. Uggh, that would be an awful lot of kicking on the stomach.

If the arms must be recovered together above the water, does that mean you have to take one pull? I think the rules specify that the arms must move back together too. So I could dive in, kick 15m underwater, surface, take one pull making sure it's legal, and kick to the wall in a streamline? The more kicking, the better, Bill! Though I can see alternating 50 fly and 50 kick. I think I'd have to alert the S&T judge or ref before I did this to prevent a DQ.

I'd take a pull into the turn.you don't have to take a pull as you breakout.I am sure you have seen swimmers trying to do SDK but not being deep enough and breaking the surface and still kicking.The main issue would making sure you stay at the surface after 15M and not inadvertently submerging.

Here is the entire rule: 101.3 Butterfly 101.3.1 Start—The forward start shall be used. 101.3.2 Stroke—After the start and after each turn, the swimmer’s shoulders must be at or past the vertical toward the ***. The swimmer is permitted one or more leg kicks, but only one arm pull under water, which must bring the swimmer to the surface. (Note: After the start and after each turn, only one breaststroke kick is allowed prior to the arm pull that brings the swimmer to the surface.) It shall be permissible for a swimmer to be completely submerged for a distance of not more than 15 meters (16.4 yards) after the start and after each turn. By that point, the head must have broken the surface. The swimmer must remain on the surface until the next turn or finish. From the beginning of the first arm pull, the body shall be kept on the ***. Both arms must be brought forward over the water and pulled back simultaneously. 101.3.3 Kick—All up and down movements of the legs and feet must be simultaneous. The position of the legs or the feet need not be on the same level, but they shall not alternate in relation to each other. The breaststroke or whip kick may be used exclusively or interchangeably with the dolphin kick while doing the butterfly stroke at any time during the race. Only one breaststroke or whip kick is permitted per arm pull, except that a single breaststroke or whip kick is permitted prior to the turn and the finish without an arm pull. After the start and after each turn, a single breaststroke or whip kick is permitted prior to the first arm pull. A scissors kicking movement is not permitted. 101.3.4 Turns—At each turn the body shall be on the ***. The touch shall be made with both hands simultaneously at, above or below the water surface. Once a touch has been made, the swimmer may turn in any manner desired. The shoulders must be at or past the vertical toward the *** when the swimmer leaves the wall. 101.3.5 Finish—At the finish, the body shall be on the *** and the touch shall be made with both hands simultaneously at, above or below the water surface. I'm not a stroke and turn judge, but I don't see any requirement that you ever take a pull -- I think you can just dive in, streamline, and kick to your heart's content. If you do a pull underwater, it must bring you to the surface, and all subsequent pulls per length must have a simultaneous over water recovery. But pulling appears to be optional.

Here is the entire rule: Where are you quoting the rule from? Link please. Thanks.

Fort, I say try it, see what happens. What's the worst that they can do? DQ you? At least you would have a cool video to put in your blog. I think that the experience alone would be worth a shot.

Fort, I say try it, see what happens. What's the worst that they can do? DQ you? At least you would have a cool video to put in your blog. I think that the experience alone would be worth a shot. Well, I'd probably speak to the referee before swimming and have the rule with me. But I'm intrigued by the idea. Trying to think of what would be the best/fastest/easiest way of alternating the kicking and swimming ... If I do this at a USA meet, my usual venue for any 200, my kid would likely be completely mortified. lol Could be a January Open event if the meet starts at a seemly hour. (Yes, us 13 & Overs swim in the mid afternoon. :))

.2 Stroke — After the start and after each turn, the swimmer’s shoulders must be at or past the vertical toward the ***. The swimmer is permitted one or more leg kicks, but only one arm pull under water, which must bring the swimmer to the surface. It shall be permissible for a swimmer to be completely submerged for a distance of not more than 15 meters (16.4 yards) after the start and after each turn. By that point, the head must have broken the surface. The swimmer must remain on the surface until the next turn or finish. From the beginning of the first arm pull, the body shall be kept on the ***. Both arms must be brought forward over the water and pulled back simultaneously. I guess if your head breaks the surface its all right. I would take a breath at 13 or 14 just to be safe.

If I do this at a USA meet, my usual venue for any 200, my kid would likely be completely mortified. lol Could be a January Open event if the meet starts at a seemly hour. (Yes, us 13 & Overs swim in the mid afternoon. :)) I say do it to mortify your kid :D