P90X

has anyone out there tried P90X several guys on my team are doing it the 90 day before and after transformations are impressive ande
  • This has been debunked many times over. Actually he's 100% correct...every single study I have seen says the same thing. Here's just one: www.womenshealthmag.com/.../cardio-vs-strength-training-workouts An interesting read on strength training from the cycling world: www.epicidiot.com/.../weights_cycling.htm
  • An interesting read on strength training from the cycling world: www.epicidiot.com/.../weights_cycling.htm I think the Costill-study-toting-Mr. Thornton needs to read this. Special attention to: "The main problem with this study is the length of the training - 12 weeks. This is not enough time for someone beginning a strength program to actually gain any significant muscle." The related articles at the end of the link look interesting as well.
  • I don't really see how doing P90X is that much different then doing any intensive exercise regiment while limiting intake of food. Go join the Marines - basic boot camp will do the same thing and they actually pay you to do the workout.
  • Actually he's 100% correct...every single study I have seen says the same thing. Here's just one: www.womenshealthmag.com/.../cardio-vs-strength-training-workouts An interesting read on strength training from the cycling world: www.epicidiot.com/.../weights_cycling.htm OK, Smart Guy, where in these articles does it support the assertion that swimming is done at a lower body temperature which causes less fat burn AND that swimmers tend to overeat as a result. I haven't seen an article that supports the notion of body temperature and fat burning. However, maybe this has been proven. And, it's not exactly new information that different sports burn calories at different rates based on exertion level. This whole body temp thing is silly. What if you run on a 40 degree day versus swimming at the Y in an 87 degree pool? I don't get it. Teach me, Mr. Miyagi.
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    Swimming is probably 'the worst' way to get rid of fat because when you swim, your body temperature remains low unlike when running or biking. This lower body temperature doesn't suppress the appetite as much as a higher body temperature does. Thus, swimmers tend to overeat while burning about the same amount of calories in a similarly timed session of running or biking.
  • Actually he's 100% correct...every single study I have seen says the same thing. Here's just one: www.womenshealthmag.com/.../cardio-vs-strength-training-workouts An interesting read on strength training from the cycling world: www.epicidiot.com/.../weights_cycling.htm The top article says nothing about swimmers not losing weight because of cool water. I think there was a study done with a very small group back in the 80's and it was concluded that you could not lose weight swimming because of the cool water. I recall that because it was one study, and the group was very small(I think less than 100 people), that it should not have been used as the be all end all. This happens a lot in the news though. A study will get reported, and snippets will be used, and then you go read the actual study and find that the facts have been skewed a bit. I think the weight loss thing is more reliant on what goes in your mouth than how you move your body. I also believe fitness has lots of facets, strength, cardiovascular training, flexibility. You need them all do perform your best. P90X may work for some, not for others, but people just need to find what works for them, and be consistent.
  • Well yeah. Since a beer gut is essential fat, if I lose it, I will die. I am happy with that conclusion, especially since I can stop worrying about my beer consumption. I wouldn't mind being slightly closer to death. But it isn't going to happen if all I do is swim. I didn't see anything about swimming and body temp either, but the articles were likely more interesting without that discussion.
  • How long until mixing it up becomes monotonous? Most coaches aren't that creative to begin with. Hopping out of the pool and doing dry lands mid workout sounds fun if I am 16yo and it is a peak yardage time for an afternoon workout. But when I have 3 coached workouts available a week, and each workout is no more than 75 minutes, why would I want to give up water time? I am not against the idea, but I don't think it will work for most masters teams. Yep, now that we have resolved the essential beer gut fat issue, only the pure athleticism dispute remains... and suits. :) True enough. If you've only got 75 minutes, there's not enough time for serious drylands and you should probably do them separately. For USA swimmers, these are usually done in the context of a 2-3 hour workout. Did we really resolve the beer gut issue?
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    Did we really resolve the beer gut issue? Well yeah. Since a beer gut is essential fat, if I lose it, I will die. I am happy with that conclusion, especially since I can stop worrying about my beer consumption.
  • Swimming is probably 'the worst' way to get rid of fat because when you swim, your body temperature remains low unlike when running or biking. This lower body temperature doesn't suppress the appetite as much as a higher body temperature does. Thus, swimmers tend to overeat while burning about the same amount of calories in a similarly timed session of running or biking. I've managed to loose 20lbs over 4 months solely through swimming, and have maintained the same weight for the past 3 yrs. I also eat more now than when I was not swimming. For me, swimming has probably been 'the best' way to get rid of fat, because I enjoy swimming far more than I enjoy counting calories. Just saying. :bliss: