What's your LMSC policy on Top Tens?

Hi Jim, I'm not talking about the point tabs for SOTY. I'll never be eligible for that category! Just submitted meet times. I know I am right about times not counting outside of Pac sanctioned meets, as I addressed this about 10 years ago. No one could really come up with a good reason why, outside our LMSC, times don't count. (In fact, in the late 90s I couldn't swim in either of our TWO LCM that year so I went to SPMA champs and swam 11 events. All of those times were Top Ten USMS and would have been TT Pacific, but Pacific didn't recognize the times as they were outside of Pacific! It looks like other LMSCs allow all swims, no matter where, to count in their tabulations. Good to know, so I can attend the May meeting with some information. I think Pacific needs to have a rule change! Thanks to everyone for your input : ]

I think all meets in the Gulf and NT regions are eligible. The issue that I am finding, is that often the meet coordinator doesn't bother to submit the times. I was at a meet in SugarLand in January. They announced that a swimmer broke a WR and that the pool was re-measured... 2 months later none of the swims have shown up in the event ranking database and I can't get any emails to them returned! North Texas does not keep a Top Ten List. I submit all NT's meets for national top ten consideration. We have South Central Zone Meet Records, where anyone who swims at that meet can set a record. You can be from any LMSC but you have to do the swim at that specific meet (SCY LCM). My suggestion to anyone wanting to see LMSC or other records - state your recommendation and then step up to the plate and do it.

Hi Jim, I know I am right about times not counting outside of Pac sanctioned meets, as I addressed this about 10 years ago. No one could really come up with a good reason why, outside our LMSC, times don't count. (In fact, in the late 90s I couldn't swim in either of our TWO LCM that year so I went to SPMA champs and swam 11 events. All of those times were Top Ten USMS and would have been TT Pacific, but Pacific didn't recognize the times as they were outside of Pacific! You're only referring to Pacific Top Ten, correct? Pacific records can be set by Pacific swimmers in any USMS sanctioned meet - not necessarily at a Pacific meet.

Yes, they need to be swum at a Pacific sanctioned meet and they are Pacific registered swimmers. The published list is not current at this time. www.pacificmasters.org/.../topten.shtml Thanks, Jim. These lists illustrate my second point: so many of them have fewer than ten names that it hardly seems worth the effort to compile or distribute them. You might sweep in a few more people (like Karen, in her late-90s example) by including non-Pacific meets, but it still would seem to me to be a low priority compared to, say, keeping the local records up to date or getting a few more LCM meets on the schedule in the first place.

Thanks, Jim. These lists illustrate my second point: so many of them have fewer than ten names that it hardly seems worth the effort to compile or distribute them. You might sweep in a few more people (like Karen, in her late-90s example) by including non-Pacific meets, but it still would seem to me to be a low priority compared to, say, keeping the local records up to date or getting a few more LCM meets on the schedule in the first place. I think that if people aren't making the list when there are local meets to compete in, the numbers aren't probably going to go up significantly with meets-at-a-distance included, with the possible exception of Nat's. But, yes, it might get a couple more.

Yes, I'm NT. The meet I can't get a response to was in Gulf. NT results are always reported quickly, great job Michelle! gobears- I have sent a half-dozen emails with the link to the portion of the USMS website detailing how to submit for event ranking. I never even get a response. I just emailed again yesterday (the contact link on the FCST site) and received this response: Hi Amy, I have sent this request to our head masters coach. Thanks so much. ****** ******* FCST Finance Manager Knowing how some coaches are (and I am one--but probably more administratively oriented than most) the request may or may not ever be seen. I think Glider's harassing phone calls to the meet director idea might be more effective!:applaud:

I've just fired off an email to Valerie Wolterman (whose email address was on the FCST meet info). I'll let you know if she responds. :)

I've done this before: Check the original meet information sheet which usually includes the meet director's name, email, and phone (at least here in GA.) If the phone is listed, let the harassing calls begin... Once you get the director on the phone, then you can outline the different meet result submission scenarios, explain the exact process to submit results to the meet db, create a little urgency, and ask for a commitment on a date to get it done. Some people just don't do well with email. Yes, I'm NT. The meet I can't get a response to was in Gulf. NT results are always reported quickly, great job Michelle! gobears- I have sent a half-dozen emails with the link to the portion of the USMS website detailing how to submit for event ranking. I never even get a response.

Yes, I'm NT. The meet I can't get a response to was in Gulf. NT results are always reported quickly, great job Michelle! gobears- I have sent a half-dozen emails with the link to the portion of the USMS website detailing how to submit for event ranking. I never even get a response.

First, let me just say I've only skimmed this thread. I am an LMSC Top Ten recorder so the title caught my eye. I don't believe Pacific is doing anything unusual or unfair here. The Pacific Top Ten recorder is responsible for submitting its Top Ten to USMS at the conclusion of each season. Note they are only responsible for submitting times done at sanctioned/recognized swims within their LMSC. This also includes sending in times from swimmers registered outside Pacific but who competed in meets within Pacific. The Pacific records are something different. Like Virginia, it sounds like to be eligible for a record you have to be a registered Pacific swimmer but your times can come from sanctioned/recognized meets anywhere (e.g. Nationals). Therefore if you do the time outside the LMSC confines, the onus is on you to submit your time for record consideration. Now back to the Pacific Top Ten - it sounds like these are only times done within the LMSC. So it doesn't make sense for Mrs. Duggan to do a time in an SPMA meet and submit it for Pacific Top Ten because the time was done outside Pacific. Of course if the time is a record, then it should get submitted. Jeff Roddin Potomac Valley LMSC Top Ten recorder Jeff, From my understanding, that's about as accurate as one can describe it.