In Pacific, we only count times swum in Pacific sanctioned meets for our Top Tens and Records.
I was wondering if your LMSC counts times swum at Nationals, or in other LMSCs, in your LMSC tabulations?
This has always been frustrating for me, especially during LC season, as we usually only have one or two meets. Last year and this year we had one meet, our LC championships! I would love to be able to have Nationals times count, and/or be able to enter meets in other LMSCs and have the times count in Pacific tabulations.
If you respond, could you tell me what LMSC you're in? I'm going to present "my case" at our May meeting.
Thanks : ]
Jim
It was my understanding that records set, for example, at Nationals, do not count as PMS records. Because if they did, then Nationals times (swum at nationals) would be tabulated in the Pacific TT and they are not.
Nancy e-mailed me and said that it should be brought up at the May meeting (in person). I'll try to make that one to plead the case. Are you bringing High Tech by chance? :D
I think all meets in the Gulf and NT regions are eligible. The issue that I am finding, is that often the meet coordinator doesn't bother to submit the times.
I was at a meet in SugarLand in January. They announced that a swimmer broke a WR and that the pool was re-measured...
2 months later none of the swims have shown up in the event ranking database and I can't get any emails to them returned!
I was at the same meet. I did get a response from someone a month or so ago who pointed me to a link for the results. Maybe they don't understand the difference between posting results to the meet and submitting them to USMS??? Maybe if we keep bothering them...
Jim
It was my understanding that records set, for example, at Nationals, do not count as PMS records. Because if they did, then Nationals times (swum at nationals) would be tabulated in the Pacific TT and they are not.
Nancy e-mailed me and said that it should be brought up at the May meeting (in person). I'll try to make that one to plead the case. Are you bringing High Tech by chance? :D
Records set anywhere count as PMS records if, in fact, they are faster than the current time standard and the meet is properly sanctioned. Hawaii '02 , SPMA's, etc.
If Nat's are in the PMS region (De Anza '96, Santa Clara '01, Clovis '09) the times will also count towards PMS Top Ten. If outside the region, then they don't count towards TT but will count as records (if set).
Hmmm, then not accepting times swum in other LMSCs, that are not records, makes NO sense. That's like saying, "Oh, yes, your time does count because it's a record, and no, yours doesn't, it wasn't fast enough!" How ridiculous.
Definitely needs some addressing.
Will you be at the May meeting Mr. C?
The issue that I am finding, is that often the meet coordinator doesn't bother to submit the times.
I was at a meet in SugarLand in January. They announced that a swimmer broke a WR and that the pool was re-measured...
2 months later none of the swims have shown up in the event ranking database and I can't get any emails to them returned!
I was at the same meet. I did get a response from someone a month or so ago who pointed me to a link for the results. Maybe they don't understand the difference between posting results to the meet and submitting them to USMS??? Maybe if we keep bothering them...
Just remember that "submitting them to USMS" means at least three different things, and they are not necessarily connected:
1. Applying for a USMS record (to Walt Reid) using the proper application form. This is the form that requires the pool to be re-measured (if it has a bulkhead).
2. Submitting the meet to the meet result database. This is what is used for the "Current Event Rankings." Not everyone submits meets to this. It doesn't have to be the meet director, the Top Ten Recorder can submit the results too if s/he has the MM file (presumably s/he does).
3. Submitting times (to Mary Beth Windrath) for USMS Top Ten Consideration. There are 3 deadlines for this, one for each course, and each LMSC should have a Top Ten Recorder who is responsible for doing this for all meets in the LMSC.
Just because a time doesn't appear in Current Event Rankings doesn't mean that #1 hasn't occured or that #3 won't occur. To check if Walt has processed the record, go to
www.usms.org/.../usmsrecords.php
and see if the record appears. Records set since the last publication of the Rule Book will appear in grey.
Delaware Valey counts any meet that is sanctioned. The only caveat is you have to be registered and swum as a DV masters swimmer at the meet. i.e.- if you swim for a non-DV team at nationals those times will not count for DV top ten records.
Hmmm, then not accepting times swum in other LMSCs, that are not records, makes NO sense. That's like saying, "Oh, yes, your time does count because it's a record, and no, yours doesn't, it wasn't fast enough!" How ridiculous.
Definitely needs some addressing.
Will you be at the May meeting Mr. C?
It probably made sense at the time it was established for whatever the reason - maybe it'll still make sense when it gets explained again and maybe not.:D
Yes, I'm planning on being there.
Gulf may be looking for a top ten recorder. Check with Jill Gellatly (South Zone Chair) or the Boaks who know everything there is to know about USMS. I think Charge is in our LMSC; gobears where are you?
Gulf may be looking for a top ten recorder. Check with Jill Gellatly (South Zone Chair) or the Boaks who know everything there is to know about USMS. I think Charge is in our LMSC; gobears where are you?
I'm in Gulf (though somehow I'm registered South Texas this year).
I have never seen or heard of a Pacific Masters "Top Ten" list. Does someone really compile them each year?
Yes, they need to be swum at a Pacific sanctioned meet and they are Pacific registered swimmers. The published list is not current at this time.
www.pacificmasters.org/.../topten.shtml
