Dara just one the national title in the 100M Freestyle in 54.4 at the ripe old age of 40. Simply Incredible. :applaud: :woot:
If that's not inspiring I don't know what is.
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Fort do you think all the accussers have more knowledge about the use of these illegal products through self use than I do.
Please don't get me wrong I am not saying anyone (I am not going to mention names) uses them.
Yes I was a cop.
George do you think that effective police are effective by committing crimes themselves before playing for the good guys? I thought perhaps being around criminals, studying case history, following procedures and the law are what make the majority effective.
You're entitled to your thoughts but if you think others have knowledge through self use say so (no names) but don't cage it in a question to a 3rd party so that it doesn't appear to be casting monkey poo.
Even if others are using, at the USMS level that's their physiological lookout...
I think it is healthy to be skeptical. It helps us maintain our guard against the fraudsters out there. That doesn't mean we have to suspect everybody, though.
Suspect when there is reason to suspect, is what I say. So far no one has provided any really convincing evidence in this thread that DT is cheating. I don't really see any significant physical change in the photos. All I see is a swimmer who looks damn good for a 40 year old. I certainly don't see a steroid pumped up freak. Not someone who looks even remotely overly muscular. Just in good shape. As for the tenuous links to Balco...well that might warrant further investigation but bear in mind, given the six degree rule, all of us could probably also to be found to have tenuous links to someone in Balco.
My feeling on the matter is that, given the lack of evidence, we should refrain from making judgement. This is not to say we shouldn't be alert or be skeptical when skepticism is due. Neither do I mean to say expression of opinion is not important or shouldn't be allowed. By all means, it is okay to air suspicions but there is a murky line between airing opinions and making negative aspersions. It is just a case of affording others the kind of respect we would hope they would afford us if the situation were reversed.
Syd
George do you think that effective police are effective by committing crimes themselves before playinig for the good guys? I thought perhaps being around criminals, studying case history, following procedures and the law are what make the majority effective.
You're entitled to your thoughts but if you think others have knowledge through self use say so (no names) but don't cage it in a question to a 3rd part so that it doesn't appear to be casting monkey poo.
Even if others are using, at the USMS level that's their physioligical lookout...
You are probably right stud. I was walking the beat one night and a school friend who had taken the wrong path asked me to stand guard while he broke into stores. He said he would share the lute with me. I told him don't do it on my beat. I was brought up in a neighbour hood of murderers, mafia, and general bad guys. My friend was the enforcer for the mafia. One of my best friends in grade school was the shooter for the enforcer. My neighbour was a heroin dealer. Most of the girls I went to school with ended up as heroin addicts and in the profession.
I was lucky my mother and father made us go to the swimpool and made us join the swim club.
You are probably right stud. I was walking the beat one night and a school friend who had taken the wrong path asked me to stand guard while he broke into stores. He said he would share the lute with me. I told him don't do it on my beat. I was brought up in a neighbour hood of murderers, mafia, and general bad guys. My friend was the enforcer for the mafia. One of my best friends in grade school was the shooter for the enforcer. My neighbour was a heroin dealer. Most of the girls I went to school with ended up as heroin addicts and in the profession.
I was lucky my mother and father made us go to the swimpool and made us join the swim club.
I grew up in a rough town too...my dad was a cop, my brother still is...what happens as a young kid is of little relevance when you're a grown and understanding adult.
Things are not black and white, but if you want to stir it up don't hide it behind a question if you truly believe it. That's my stance.
I think you used the wrong terms - I think "realists" and "idealists" might be more appropriate.
or if you really want to start a fight
Protestants and Catholics...although I'm agnostic right now.
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George,
This Orlando reporter has done nothing different than what anyone else on this forum has done. She did not come out right and claim Dara was doing drugs. She is speculating and worried about potential cheating just as many on this forum.
There is no law preventing someone from publicly noting their concern over potential misconduct or cheating or being worried about cheating. Discussing this topic without making direct accusations is entirely different than defamation of character.
John Smith
How about optimistic realism? It is within the range of plausibility.
Not everyone is bad. In fact, the majority of people choose to be good, most of the time.
Quite simply, Dara Torres does not deserve this slander. If anyone has earned the role of positive mother, it's her. At the of the day, the only proof of anything tainted has been preserved on this thread.
Let's just be very clear on one thing: casting suspicion is not as innocuous as all the doubters would have us believe. For the ill-informed and the over zealous even a hint of suspicion is proof of guilt. The fact that suspicion has been raised can sully an otherwise outstanding carreer. Doubt has a habit of overshadowing excellent achievements. This can be very harmful and damaging. Therefore, we should be very careful about what we say. And I don't mean trying to avoid law suits either. I don't think anyone has made libellous or slanderous remarks here. I just mean we should choose our language carefully and responsibly. Even the stating of opinions can have consequences. Opinions are not harmless. :soapbox:
Syd
