Dara just one the national title in the 100M Freestyle in 54.4 at the ripe old age of 40. Simply Incredible. :applaud: :woot:
If that's not inspiring I don't know what is.
Just about as much as your stand on this subject. I want proof not what everyone thinks - that may not be true.
But you just asked for everyone's "true thoughts." :mooning:
You are taking one contradictory position after another.
Do you live in the same world as the rest of us???? Belief has everything to do with how you view life, people, relationships....everything!! Your belief system is who you are!!!
You even quote it by saying: "Can we have feelings/questions one way or another without claiming to know? Yes" These are beliefs....if not, what are they?Just pointing out that what one believes has nothing to do with what is factual. You may believe athletes don't dope. That has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not they do. It seems that anyone who questions whether a performance may or may not have been clean or dirty on this thread is viewed as somehow unfair, unjust or immoral. It's just a question, people! Dara seems to have less of a problem with the question than many of you. It sounds to me like she's taken any questions she may have had about other swimmers possible doping activities without turning them into beliefs about actual guilt or innocence. Then she kicks their asses.
Like I posted yesterday, she is calling out the doubters to prove her guilt or innocence. So if you are so sure, prove it.
Unfortunately, this seems to be largely rhetorical.
In a court of law, the beliefs of the jury and/or the judge have a fair amount to do with one's guilt or innocence. IMHO anyhow.So judges, juries and beliefs actually cause the crime? Or, does the person cause the crime and we have to rely on a very imperfect system that uses some concrete evidence and some opinion to convict or acquit? And I suppose O.J. didn't murder Nicole since the jury said so. I, again, assert that the crime was committed by someone no matter if I believe it was space aliens or O.J. My beliefs don't change what happened. And I readily admit that WE MAY NEVER REALLY KNOW who did it. I also admit that I have wondered if O.J. is guilty! My belief doesn't make it so!!!
Like I posted yesterday, she is calling out the doubters to prove her guilt or innocence. So if you are so sure, prove it.Uh...show me where I am sure about anything? If anything you are SURE that she didn't do anything. I'm just wondering. Jeez...this isn't that difficult. Do you think Dara has never wondered if other swimmers have doped? Sure she has. But she doesn't let it affect her precisely because she doesn't run around deciding guilt or innocence based on her beliefs!
Would you stand up for Clemens if it was a test made by the French on Lance???
The same French that busted Landis? Oh yea, that wasn't testoterone, that was the shot of Jack Daniels he drank the night before.
Or, the same French that busted Tyler Hamilton (I think it was the French)? Oops, that was the deceased in-utero twin that gave him unnatural levels of hormones in his blood.
I stuck with Ben until it was proof positive. It seems none like you can stand behind a superb athlete like DT.
I will stand up any time for Clemens, a person I really dislike personality wise, until really proven guilty.
For some reason there is this idea that you have to ascribe to knowledge you don't (and never will) have in order to support Dara. I like to think Dara is clean. Sure. I like to think that athletes at the top level all over are clean. But I DON'T KNOW. That doesn't make me a traitor. I don't sit up nights thinking about their cheating ways. I watch their performances and enjoy their exploits just like you. I just ask some (obviously for you) very uncomfortable questions. I guarantee you the best athletes out there are asking those same questions. Why it's wrong to ask is beyond me.
I go to Church because of a belief there may be a god. It does not mean there is a god.
PRECISELY!!! No more than the idea that Xenu exists because scientologists believe. Or that pink unicorns are flying around in my garage because I believe. Facts aren't determined by belief.
Fort do you think all the accussers have more knowledge about the use of these illegal products through self use than I do.
Please don't get me wrong I am not saying anyone (I am not going to mention names) uses them.
George...pull one quote off this or any thread where someone "accused" Dara of cheating?
Maybe there are a couple floating out there but the vast majority of us who are skeptical are offended that you are posting such things....a cop should know better.
Read carefully please.....quite a difference between questioning and accusing.
