Dara Torres-Amazing

but I (and you) have yet to break any American records lately True, true...and I can't come close to college times in any event...but I don't swim the 50 free. (Come to think of it...what's YOUR excuse?) Didn't Dara admit to taking creatine? And didn't I hear she struggled with anorexia back in the 80s? Maybe that accounts for the difference. But I don't see why being middle-aged in any barrier to putting on more muscle or gaining strength, the bigger problem is using it effectively in the water. I believe I am actually stronger (but slower) now than in college and at least as muscled as I was in my mid-20s. And I don't take anything (not even those fancy recovery drinks) other than a multi-vitamin and Lipitor. I'm not at all convinced that HGH and creatine actually help performance anyway, though they I guess they would make one look more buff. The online magazine Slate (which I love) has had a few articles about PEDs, including this one on HGH www.slate.com/.../ I have no idea about women vs men in terms of adding muscle, though apparently Fortress must be juicing.:weightlifter:

I heard the tyke is already benching 150 lbs. You draw your own conclusions. :lolup::rofl::weightlifter:

Aren't we forgetting here that she was pregnant recently? Should we test her baby for roids? :rolleyes: I heard the tyke is already benching 150 lbs. You draw your own conclusions.

No, that's not true. I just checked our LMSC records in the 200 back Men 25-29 200 Back 1:53.60 Chris Stevenson 1/1/94 Men 30-34 200 Back 1:54.10 Chris Stevenson 5/21/95 Men 35-39 200 Back 1:55.48 Chris Stevenson 4/1/00 Men 40-44 200 Back 1:53.99 Chris Stevenson 3/9/07 The 25-29 record was done unrested when I was 29, soon after I moved to Virginia -- I'm sure I went faster at some point in the 25-29 age group in another LMSC, but I don't recall ever breaking 1:52 (and definitely not 1:51). I train a harder and smarter now, and more specifically for swimming; I did much more aerobic cross-training back then and no weight lifting, but I still got in the water pretty regularly. Hmmm. Come to think of it, that line of bull about better training sounds just like Dara Torres. I'll be sending you a sample in the mail shortly...don't drink it, tutu boy...:drink: Face it: 40 is the new 20! You go boy! Aren't we forgetting here that she was pregnant recently? Should we test her baby for roids? :rolleyes:

No, that's not true. I just checked our LMSC records in the 200 back Men 25-29 200 Back 1:53.60 Chris Stevenson 1/1/94 Men 30-34 200 Back 1:54.10 Chris Stevenson 5/21/95 Men 35-39 200 Back 1:55.48 Chris Stevenson 4/1/00 Men 40-44 200 Back 1:53.99 Chris Stevenson 3/9/07 The 25-29 record was done unrested when I was 29, soon after I moved to Virginia -- I'm sure I went faster at some point in the 25-29 age group in another LMSC, but I don't recall ever breaking 1:52 (and definitely not 1:51). I train a harder and smarter now, and more specifically for swimming; I did much more aerobic cross-training back then and no weight lifting, but I still got in the water pretty regularly. Hmmm. Come to think of it, that line of bull about better training sounds just like Dara Torres. I'll be sending you a sample in the mail shortly...don't drink it, tutu boy...:drink: Face it: 40 is the new 20! Chris....my comment was in referance to John's question about putting on muscle mass in your 40's. I train far smarter now as well and finally figured out after 20 years how to rest/recover properly (and also for years have been an advocate of cross-training with yoga, spinning, etc.)....but I (and you) have yet to break any American records lately. When I see ANY 40 year old masters swimmer looking as cut and muscled as Dara who breaks the AR in any event I'll raise the same questions. And if I see anything what so ever in the mail from you I'll be sure to forward it to Geek as I know his standards are much lower than mine when it comes to getting freebies.

I dunno ...where there's smoke.... Looks pretty condemning to me... :lmao: I could only qualify as over the limit in the "caffeinated" class.

There is no comparing what you did in your 20's & early 30's vs. your 40's....just wait. No, that's not true. I just checked our LMSC records in the 200 back Men 25-29 200 Back 1:53.60 Chris Stevenson 1/1/94 Men 30-34 200 Back 1:54.10 Chris Stevenson 5/21/95 Men 35-39 200 Back 1:55.48 Chris Stevenson 4/1/00 Men 40-44 200 Back 1:53.99 Chris Stevenson 3/9/07 The 25-29 record was done unrested when I was 29, soon after I moved to Virginia -- I'm sure I went faster at some point in the 25-29 age group in another LMSC, but I don't recall ever breaking 1:52 (and definitely not 1:51). I train a harder and smarter now, and more specifically for swimming; I did much more aerobic cross-training back then and no weight lifting, but I still got in the water pretty regularly. Hmmm. Come to think of it, that line of bull about better training sounds just like Dara Torres. I'll be sending you a sample in the mail shortly...don't drink it, tutu boy...:drink: Face it: 40 is the new 20!

Have you ever tried to put on muscle mass in your 30s and 40s? No, but boy I did! :mooning: The other day, my son told me that before I started swimming at 44, I looked anorexic and now I look massively buff. I don't train in any way that remotely resembles Dara. I only lift very moderate weights and do core work. I don't use creatine or any other supplements whatsoever. Anyone who has seen me would say I have plenty of muscle.

Absolutely. Not 40's, but late 20's and early 30's. I am a tall and thin man, but was able to increase muscle mass noticeably in my triceps, biceps, and quads. I used machines at the gym and followed no specific routine for exercise or diet (aside from trying to eat as much protein as possible). The muscle that I have seen in some photos of Dara does not seem all that far fetched. You meant to say "absolutely not"...you will soon find out that there is no comparing what you did in your 20's & early 30's vs. your 40's....just wait.

Another comment made on the FOX story about the high school girls was about Clemmons wife taking hgh to get ready for the swimsuit photos...I guess if mom thinks its ok why not eh? "C L E M E N S" not "Clemmons". :duel: Say mon, let's get it right, puhlease.