How do you accurately target it, you have to shoot a precise straight line of the shortest distance? Do cell phones interfere or is that last year's news?
Since it's working in the visible spectrum (presumably) I don't see how cell phones or other RF signals could interfere.
And if you don't trust the laser the good old steel tape still works, too!
As I said I feel sorry for the disallowed swims.I am glad that I am not the one deciding how to rule.I do want to give a cautionary tale about bulkheads.I already mentioned my disallowed 100 SCM BR.It was at the ASU pool which had hosted Nats the year before so they were an experienced group. The pool was measured before the meet and was in compliance.The pool was measured after the first day and the bulkhead had slipped slightly so that 3 lanes were now 1 cm short.Here is a question for a real dilemma,SCY Nats is frequently held in a bulkhead pool,what if the bulkhead shifts at Nats?
Allen, IMO, it is as likely that either the first or second measurement was wrong, as it is that the bulkhead moved one centimeter. Especially if both sides of the bulkhead have lane lines. Just saying.
Actually it is new in that major International meets were exempted when the meet complied with the hosts rules. This is how every other organization does it. The Worlds and previous Canadan Championships were exempted. The three board members who voted for the exemption in this case were right.
We can't force the rest of the world to run meets our way and we can't have our members measuring pools in international meets. Your passion for accuracy is admirable though misplaced.
And you are not being forced to compete in meets that don't follow our required rules. Please stop beating this dead horse and take this as a lesson learned.
Maybe this will help.
Thanks, I have some friends there and I sent some emails out. If they don't know I will go to some Canadian officials. This must get resolved ASAP!
Maybe this will help.
I think I've seen this one before... the big boat hits an iceberg and then Elmo saves Christmas right? Not a dry eye in the house!
It isn't the responsibility of the committee or any top ten recorder or any other USMS volunteer to contact the meet hosts of all masters meets that are not sanctioned by USMS to check on measurements just on the off chance that USMS members might be swimming there.
That is why it is the swimmer's responsibiility to get the measurements and inform their LMSC's top ten recorder about the meet and the results (preferably before the meet so the TTR can tell the swimmer what is needed).
But why do you assume that the meet directors weren't contacted?
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Walt Reid also received no measurements with the USMS/FINA record application. USMS records require them. Based on the meet hosts response and since no measurements were included in the record applications, yes we assumed no measurements were done. And again: it isn't our responsibility to get them for recognized meets. I simply don't know how to say it any plainer.
Feel free to contact the meet hosts. It doesn't matter. The deadline for submission is long past and the top ten lists are final. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish here, but it sure is a shame that all the time and energy you have expended on this matter wasn't proactive rather than reactive. So are we done? I'm going to assume so.
Congratulations on some nice swims today!
I did not assume that you didn't contact the meet directors. It does appear that Leslie (not the committee) made an informal inquiry to them and basically was told not to worry.
I think the "new" policy is a mistake. How will you resolve inconsistent measurements by USMS swimmers? If I were to measure the pools at Worlds and my measurement indicates that they are short and Leslie also measures the pools and it believes she obtains a valid result that shows the pools are the correct length, how do you rectify the competing inconsistent measurements? Either could be right. Both could be wrong. We will never know. What laser and measuring devices are approved by USMS? How often do the devices have to be independently checked for accuracy? Do you have to be trained to use them? I don't see the new USMS policy as being practical, cost effective and reasonable. I don't think we should be reinventing the wheel.
I like the Canadians procedure, have a professional do it and monitor the situation.
Have a good meet tomorrow, I will let you know what I find out. Also, think about this. I believe that there is a better solution, you might be able to come up with something.
Kirk, I don't know either but there have been claims that cell phone interference can effect other instruments like plane radar. They claim it is uneffected by other light sources too.
I think there is a reason that FINA and USAS don't have as strict criteria. Chris could borrow Jeffs and test it.
The simplest way to stop a thread is to stop posting to it. And if that does not work then just stop reading it.
It’s okay for folks to have irreconcilable differing opinions on a topic.
And another thing...
As I said I feel sorry for the disallowed swims.I am glad that I am not the one deciding how to rule.I do want to give a cautionary tale about bulkheads.I already mentioned my disallowed 100 SCM BR.It was at the ASU pool which had hosted Nats the year before so they were an experienced group. The pool was measured before the meet and was in compliance.The pool was measured after the first day and the bulkhead had slipped slightly so that 3 lanes were now 1 cm short.Here is a question for a real dilemma,SCY Nats is frequently held in a bulkhead pool,what if the bulkhead shifts at Nats?
This year at Greensboro, we will be swimming the fixed width, so no problem there. Entries accepted through the 23rd!!
The simplest way to stop a thread is to stop posting to it.
The simplest? In this forum? Rob, I would think you would know of the dangers of imbibing too much happy juice before posting! :)
(Hey, I just discovered the joy of the "format remover" in the toolbar. Who SAYS that this thread has outlived its usefulness!)
