Stroke Rate & Stroke Length in OW

After recognizing that my stroke is much longer than most OWS, I decided to poke around and see if stroke was different for OW as opposed to swimming in a pool. I found this (There is a part 2 if you click on the channel and scroll down the right side): YouTube - Swim Smooth: What Is An Efficient Freestyle Stroke? Part 1 I would love to get reactions. I know that when I quicken my stroke rate and shorten my stroke I seem to fatigue much more quickly. However, this could be due to not pursuing this long enough to re-establish breathing patterns. (When I concentrate on my stroke, I tend to hold my breath without realizing it). I do know that while my per 100 pace is slowly improving with more speed work in my work outs, it has dropped now where near what it used to be 20 years ago.
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    The point I was making is that a sample size of N = 10,000 is more likely to yield widely-applicable principles than a sample size of N=1. Or one of N=25-50 (the number of people in the world capable of remaining efficient in challenging conditions at SR of 80+ - and with the metabolic capacity to sustain it.) I understand what you intended now. But of course, it just establishes that if you have a validly selected random sample, where you observe objectively verifiable data, the conclusions you reach are more probably valid than a similarly selected and tested, but smaller sample. (That's assuming I remember my statistics correctly, which has a very high level of uncertainty) As for the word 'glide' - and countless other words and phrases, I've found it important to be as precise as possible when writing - as opposed to showing. When I use the term glide I mean all stroking movements cease. Usually with one arm forward and the other back. People sometimes do this in pursuit of more Stroke Length. Not a good practice -- and the reason I questioned introducing the concept of gliding. Pausing the lead hand, or being very patient about cultivating the catch, isn't gliding so long as the other hand is coming forward in recovery. I have never seen the word “glide” used as you have defined it. You might want to check on that or at least make sure you include your definition of the word in your discussions. In dozens of races I've found myself passing people who are stroking faster, when the water gets more choppy. Video example here. http://tinyurl.com/4x9aamv Yes I’ve seen this video before. Frankly I think it’s your goggles that make you faster. :-) Seriously though, my first thought when I saw that was that you had just caught and passed either a heat in front of yours, or just the nuts that went out too fast. I think what stands out the most though, is not your stroke rate so much as you excellent head position in comparison to the other swimmers around you..
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  • Former Member
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    The point I was making is that a sample size of N = 10,000 is more likely to yield widely-applicable principles than a sample size of N=1. Or one of N=25-50 (the number of people in the world capable of remaining efficient in challenging conditions at SR of 80+ - and with the metabolic capacity to sustain it.) I understand what you intended now. But of course, it just establishes that if you have a validly selected random sample, where you observe objectively verifiable data, the conclusions you reach are more probably valid than a similarly selected and tested, but smaller sample. (That's assuming I remember my statistics correctly, which has a very high level of uncertainty) As for the word 'glide' - and countless other words and phrases, I've found it important to be as precise as possible when writing - as opposed to showing. When I use the term glide I mean all stroking movements cease. Usually with one arm forward and the other back. People sometimes do this in pursuit of more Stroke Length. Not a good practice -- and the reason I questioned introducing the concept of gliding. Pausing the lead hand, or being very patient about cultivating the catch, isn't gliding so long as the other hand is coming forward in recovery. I have never seen the word “glide” used as you have defined it. You might want to check on that or at least make sure you include your definition of the word in your discussions. In dozens of races I've found myself passing people who are stroking faster, when the water gets more choppy. Video example here. http://tinyurl.com/4x9aamv Yes I’ve seen this video before. Frankly I think it’s your goggles that make you faster. :-) Seriously though, my first thought when I saw that was that you had just caught and passed either a heat in front of yours, or just the nuts that went out too fast. I think what stands out the most though, is not your stroke rate so much as you excellent head position in comparison to the other swimmers around you..
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