The anti-sandbag law:
"if a swimmer enters an event with a time significantly slower or faster than that swimmer's recorded time in the past two years, the meet director may, after a discussion with the swimmer, change the seeded time to a realistic time" (104.5.5.A(10)).
Concerning my Auburn nationals entry, I confess, when faced with a 7 hour 2 stop flight and 3:45 nonstop at an earlier time, I did what any warm-blooded middle-aged American swimmer with low self-esteem would do--sandbag my entry so I could catch the earlier flight, thus diminishing the possible time spent sitting next to a 400 pound Alabama slammer with sleep apnea wearing nothing but overalls and body odor. Of course, I was caught in my bold fabrication and my time was "fixed."
USMS seems to have an identity problem. Are we hard core with rigid qualifying times? It would seem not as 2 of my not-so-speedy family members were allowed to swim four events last year in Puerto Rico. If we are not hard core, why does anybody care that I sandbag? More to the point, why can one person enter a crappy time and another cannot? Just wondering.:)
I've been a USMS member for almost 25 years. The first time I even heard the term 'sandbag' was here on these forums. To state that there is some faction of swimmers out there waiting to pounce on wretched sandbaggers is complete and utter BS.
Sorry, I do believe it was you who criticized a cancer survivor (Bobby Patten), who happened to have had a chunk of his shoulder taken out, for entering a slow time at nationals, dodging you in the process. I also remember a statement from you about probably the greatest distance swimmer in USMS (Jeff Erwin), always entering slow times. So, while the pounce may not be there, the (self) righteous indignation clearly is present...know thyself my brother.:)
Congratulations on your 25 years...do you get a pin or something?
Worry about yourself and just race.
And that is why you are a world record holder.
I'd like to hijack this thread and divert it into Fort's blog and Tall Paul's workouts, which I love love love. Plus Ande's threads/posts. Great reading and even better RE-reading. Printing out, too!
at this weekend's meet a mixed male/female meet. I had a well known fast:dunno:t male 42 yr old in my heat 1 for 200im. he may have been injured. hmmm
what bothers me more and this is small meets, not nationals, is consistent sandbagging to make themselves look great against the rest of the field. if i have a time, i submit it. if it is an event that i have never swam, i may guesstimate. if you drop 20sec from seed on a 50 - you are a sandbagger or should be going to trials:2cents:
Maybe I just don’t get it, but this seems like the most insidious type of “sandbagging” of all:
Get the meet director to change entries (and the rules governing seeding)
just so an individual swimmer can get a “better lane.”
Many of us, as have I, wanted better seeding in club-level meets,
so we could “do our best.” Even with the small-meet handicap,
many of us – I included – have done top ten times – and
set world records – under these circumstances.
I don’t think this is exclusively a “women’s issue-“
which might be why few other women have chimed in.
After all, everybody knew it was a mixed-gender seeding meet,
so no surprises there.
No, you clearly don't get it. Too busy tooting your own horn, I guess.
But I'll tell you what's really insidious and counter to the USMS mission -- your position that "all that matters is top ten" and your precious top ten streak. That's more tiresome than the morality police.
I can hardly believe this thread is still going on ... Like chowmi, I will be sandbagging all future sandbaggging threads.
I broused the USMS site for a while, and could not come away
with what I thought was the 2011 "mission statement."......
.......
From the USMS 2011 Rule Book, page ix:
To promote fitness and health in adults by offering and supporting Masters swimming programs.
I think you are correct, Jim.
Isn't that the same wording
they have used since
it was adopted in 2001?
Still, it says nothing
about competition per se.
Yes, it is and actually it does, under Goals and Objectives, Part B. "To offer adults the opportunity to participate in a lifelong fitness and/or competitive swimming program." (also same as 2001)
Not competition from a definitive aspect, but competition nonetheless.
This might be the end of my e-thug days. Darnit.
www.usms.org/.../indresults.php
My identity here has not really been a secret. Many of the more frequent posters know who I am.
Try being an e-spaz for a while. It's fun! :banana: Here's some contradictory haiku.
To be squeaky clean
on the heat sheets, just give an
honest effort folks
This thread has cratered
Can't tell sarcastic from non
Abandon all hope
No, you clearly don't get it. Too busy tooting your own horn, I guess.
But I'll tell you what's really insidious and counter to the USMS mission -- your position that "all that matters is top ten" and your precious top ten streak. That's more tiresome than the morality police.
I can hardly believe this thread is still going on ... Like chowmi, I will be sandbagging all future sandbaggging threads.
She's back... with a vengeance.:D
