Swim Faster Stronger

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This thread is an expansion of Ande's Swimming Faster Faster Tip 31: Get Strong. This is where I give advice on how to get stronger for the purpose of swimming faster. I'm an authority on this subject only in a limited sense. I'm not a swim coach or a strength coach. I made a lot of improvement in my swimming when I started lifting weights, and I've given advice to a few other people (swimmers and non-swimmers) on how to get started on strength training. I draw a lot on conventional strength training wisdom. That's general strength training, not strength training for swimming. In my opinion, and this is probably the most radical theme I'm going to stick with here, strength training advice for swimmers has always sucked. It is most often some kind of perverted and watered down version of the strength training that actual strong people do. A lot of buzzwords get added (e.g., "functional") and actual weight (i.e., iron) gets subtracted. My number one principle for strength training is this: it's not swimming! Don't mimic strokes, don't worry about skills. Just get stronger. The strength will transfer. Safety I'm starting with this at Jim Thornton's suggestion. Your first priority in the weight room is to avoid getting hurt. Joint pain This is just like swimming. The rule is: if it hurts, don't do it. Tendonitis comes on slowly, and when you feel it, you should stop doing whatever exercise causes it. There are also rehab/prehab exercises for strength and flexibility targeting any joint you can think of. Lower back Some lifts, particularly squats and deadlifts, require you to bend over at the waist. Do these in a mirror where you can see your side profile whenever possible, or have somebody watch your form. You need to keep your lower back slightly arched at all times, never flexed while supporting a significant weight. Some techniques to promote good form are: looking up, trying to point your chest to the ceiling, and trying to push your butt backward. Use whatever combination of these cues work for you, and check your form visually. Dropping weight Common sense. Overhead weights are dangerous. Don't drop heavy stuff on your head. When doing any exercise, ask yourself what would happen if you suddenly passed out and collapsed. Would the weight hit you? Would it choke you? I'm not saying to avoid exercises like that, but be careful. End your sets before you start feeling shaky. Use stops on a power rack. Ask somebody to spot you (unless you are doing squats and you aren't good friends already). Again, this should really be common sense. Muscle soreness Sorry, this is not an injury. I just put it here to make sure nobody mistakes it for one :) It's going to happen, and it's probably going to be far more intense than what you get from swimming. Exercise selection Exercise selection is all about variety. It's important to strengthen all of the muscles on the body, and you can do that by focusing on three basic movements: push, pull, and squat. Do these basic movements at different angles and positions to strengthen the entire body. Choosing different grips and equipment can also keep you from getting bored with weight training, and it can prevent joint injuries. Push In pushing, the elbows straighten and move away from the body. The two basic angles for pushing are forward and upward. Here's the barbell bench press, a forward pushing movement: YouTube - Instructional Fitness - Bench Press And here's the standing barbell shoulder press, an upward pushing movement: YouTube - Build Muscle: Barbell Shoulder Press And of course there are different angles and hybrids. For example, incline bench press is in between shoulder press and bench press. Also, any of these things can be done with dumbbells or other equipment. Pull Pulling means elbows bend and come toward the body. The two basic angles for pulling are downward and backward. Here's the dumbbell row, a backward pulling movement: YouTube - Instructional Fitness - One-arm Dumbbell Rows And here's a pull-up, which is not just a downward pulling movement, but the downward pulling movement that all beginning lifters must do, because of all of the different muscles it stresses: YouTube - dead-hang pull ups with 70lb kettlebell.AVI Squat The squatting movement is the basis for all lower body development. My favorite squatting movement is the barbell lunge, which puts less relative stress on the lower back by working one leg at a time: YouTube - Lunges 225 X 7 If you bend over without bending much at the knees, squatting turns into a deadlift variation. Here's the sumo deadlift: YouTube - How to Sumo Deadlift Load, volume, and frequency These are parameters you need to balance. Load means: how heavy is the weight? Or, more specifically: how much force are your muscles required to produce to move it? Volume means: how many repetitions do you do? How much total work are the muscles doing? Frequency means: how often does a particular muscle get worked? You can do a full-body workout three days a week, or maybe upper body two days a week and lower body one day. Or you can get even more specific. Bodybuilders like to have days like "chest", "arms", and "shoulders" over the course of a week. I know this sounds arbitrary, but we have to start somewhere. Here are my can't-fail load and volume parameters for newbies: 1. Do a full body workout two or three days a week, involving one push, one pull, and one squat. 2. Do between 2 and 6 sets per exercise, excluding easy/warm-up sets. 3. Do between 5 and 15 reps per set. 4. Don't take less than a full minute of rest between sets. Within that, knock yourself out. You'll eventually come to some kind of understanding of how you respond to different amounts of volume and load, and how much variety you want. In a bit I'll give you a specific program to start with, if that's too much choice for you. Failure and fatigue Fatigue means you start to shake or slow down. Failure means you are no longer able to lift the weight. In my opinion, these things are way overrated. It's fun to challenge yourself and see exactly how many reps you can do to failure, but if you are doing 30 reps of 135 pounds on some exercise, 3 sets of 10 is pretty much the same as 6 sets of 5. I often prefer to do the latter, although it might take slightly longer. It all depends on how much pain you want to be in. There are some minor strength benefits to failure in strength training, but it definitely doesn't have to happen on every set, or even in every workout. It's just another parameter that you can change depending on how you like it. Introduction plan This is a plan that follows my guidelines. It's very similar to what I did when I started lifting. The exercises in it are the ones I showed videos of above. If you have more questions about how to do them or set up for them, please ask. This workout is built on sets of 10 reps. Choose a very light weight to start, and slowly add weight, never more than 20 pounds at a time (or 10 pounds per dumbbell) until you can't complete 10 reps on your last set. Once you learn roughly how much weight you can do on a particular exercise, you can choose a good point to start ramping up from without wasting time. Workout A Assisted pull-up machine (Remember, more weight is easier on this.) Standing barbell shoulder press (Stop any set if you start to feel shaky. Don't go to failure on these!) Barbell alternating lunge (You can also do this holding dumbbells at your side. Pretty much the same.) Workout B One-arm dumbbell row (Switch arms between sets, and stop when either arm fails to get 10 reps.) Barbell bench press (Stop a bit short of failure, or get a spotter.) Sumo deadlift (Check your lower back form! The set is over when you lose perfect form.) Do Workout A, rest a few days, then do Workout B. Repeat. Take extra rest days if you feel like it. Feel free to substitute similar movements if you get bored or don't like the ones I prescribe. Questions? Ask me!
  • Bench is horrible for shoulders period and inclines do not put more stress on the joint (than flat bench). But you are right, overhead can be done safely, and technique is key. If you have a history of shoulder issues I personally would skip it. Again cost vs benefit. I look at it like this, build strength doing exercises that match or closely match movements in water, in addition strengthen muscles that help to keep things like your shoulders free from injury. Basically do no damage... I also work core for body position, and plyos for explosive starts and turns. Functional exercises like rock climbing are great for building additional strength and work well for swimming. Typical workout for me: • General stretching • 3-4 sets (usually 8-10each) of pull-ups with "v"s, "t"s and "y"s between the pull-ups (10 at 8lbs - light weight) • 3 sets of 12 cleans - light weight - flutter kicks between each set •*3 sets of 10-12 dumbbell curls - 10-12 reps • 3-4 sets of single arm pulls with heavy bands standing on one foot 12-14 reps per arm - bench dips - between sets 25 reps • 3-4 sets of tri extension with bands laying on a ball (back stroke position) 25 reps • 3 sets of machine rows 8-10 reps • 3 sets of cable tri extension - 30 seconds on as many reps as possible • Balance squats standing on a medicine ball, 2 feet , 1 foot • Box jumps • More pull-ups in various positions. • Stretch again I do go heaver but it depends on the time of year/season. I also don't do a lot of rest between sets. This is an advanced workout but can be paired down. Your workout seems very upper body oriented. You do a squat on a med ball?! Or did you mean bosu? For explosive power, I think eccentric exercises, extreme angle isometrics and plyos have a role. As to Chris' question, I drop all drylands three weeks out. It takes forever for my legs to rest.
  • I wish I had my own personal scientist to help me figure out the best way to time workouts and intensity. But I'm starting to get into a groove based on trial, error, and the schedule of my day job! I think the bottom line is that it's going to take some time, perhaps a year or more to really see the results, but it's worth the effort in the meantime. Keep a log. That's how I figured out the pattern of what sets up a great day for me. In my case, it's a 48 hour thing, but your experience may vary.
  • I don't do dips of any kind because they hurt my shoulders in an extreme way, and yet I did bench press earlier this week and it was fine. Different people respond differently. I agree. Bench never bothered my shoulders at all, but dips always do.
  • This thread reminds me a lot of an article that I recently read which has inspired me & my swim buddy to take up some old-fashioned weight training: www.mensjournal.com/everything-you-know-about-fitness-is-a-lie We're starting with bench press, squats, and deadlifts, as well as some isometrics recommended in the article. I'm still in the mode where I'm feeling sore all the time while I get used to it, but I love that this is pure strength, which is something I think many of us amateurs and newbies can really use. (In a few weeks, I've already added 20 pounds to all my sets.) There's a lot of crazy weight regiments and expensive programs out there (many of which feature the letter "X") but right now I'm of the opinion that working on building some basic strength might really be the key for many of us.
  • Strength imbalances are common in swimmers and should not be reinforced. A general strength building plan makes sense for masters swimmers because it can correct muscle imbalances, increase proprioception and maintain bone density. These are guaranteed benefits to go along with the more difficult to quantify strength to speed improvements. Shahboz, your example workout is pretty unbalanced. Jazz's push+pull+squat plan is general, well founded strength training advice. Now there's a statement that makes good sense to me!! :applaud:
  • They are fine. The workouts I wrote are made up of very effective multi-joint exercises that allow you to move a lot of weight with a lot of different muscles. Flies are a little bit more isolated, so they are something I would do in addition to the big lifts if you have time. Thanks. Great thread.
  • That's a good point and quite true. I'm sure all of us have seen the body builder types enter the 50 free and do nothing more than pound the water for half a minute. Good form always wins over brawn. Not the other way around. This brings up my toughest issue with trying to combine strength training with swimming. I have the 'gift' of easily building mass, whether I want to or not. It has taken me two years, six months of which I didn't touch any weights, to lean out a little and get flexible enough (though barely) to swim like I want to. When I hit weights hard, I thicken up quick. It doesn't matter much if I am doing 6 rep sets or 12-18. I am streamlined like a barge. Does this doom my swimming progress? I figure/hope a few seasons of trial and error will help me find a balance.
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    Is functional training really that bad? I know some of it may be for non-athletes, but I think certain functional training could be beneficial for swimming. Isn't the hip hinge you've done an example of this? I do the hip hinge for strength. It's a very good hamstring exercise. The lack of stability causes other muscles to work, but I don't see any reason to believe that it would improve swimming technique. I recommend working on strength when you're working on strength. Not endurance, swimming skills, or balance. Flexibility is an exception, because stretch and full range of motion are great for building strength. Even so, if you go into a weight room thinking of all the cool flexibility stuff you're going to do, that's not going to be a good strength workout. Focus on one thing at a time. What is the rationale for doing 5 reps vs 15 reps? I know you do both, but why? Whatever you feel like doing. I don't see any reason to believe in rep range "zones" for different attributes. It's much more important to have an enjoyable workout. How do you do an incline chest press without a Hammer machine? There are incline bench press stations at most gyms. You can also use dumbbells on an adjustable bench. Do you advise lifting differently for short course vs. long course? Nope. Strength is strength.
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    I would think that a swimmer would do more reps because of the distance of our races. I disagree. You do your high reps in the pool. If you do the same thing in the weight room, you are duplicating effort. The weights give you a unique workout because they provide more resistance than the water can. Take advantage of that.
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    One thing that could be added alongside dropping: picking up the weights and getting into position. I was taught that most people (who get hurt) get hurt by not taking this part seriously -- even a light dumbell can hurt you badly when picked up awkwardly. That clean the guy uses in the overhead press example is not such a beginner move. Do you have tips regarding this? Yeah, the lower back advice in the "Safety" section is also good to think about when you're carrying stuff around. Regarding the clean for overhead pressing, there are actually two steps to get into position: deadlift and hang clean. The deadlift is pretty simple with light weight: just keep your lower back arched. Here's a hang clean video: YouTube - Mike Burgener: Coaching The Hang Power Clean Obviously you don't need to put so much leg power into it if it's only a 20-pound bar, but that's the basic idea: using a little dip and some leg drive to easily pull the weight to your shoulders. If anyone finds this stuff too difficult, most gyms have a seated overhead barbell press station. You can also do dumbbell press, although getting into position for that isn't easy either: YouTube - Weight Lifting Exercises for Beginners : Learn the Dumbbell Shoulder Press Weight Lifting Exercise Something I am wondering -- I love to do flies (forward and reverse). They are generally left out of recommended exercises. Is there something bad about flies? Have they been replaced with something safer/better? They are fine. The workouts I wrote are made up of very effective multi-joint exercises that allow you to move a lot of weight with a lot of different muscles. Flies are a little bit more isolated, so they are something I would do in addition to the big lifts if you have time.