This thread is an expansion of Ande's Swimming Faster Faster Tip 31: Get Strong. This is where I give advice on how to get stronger for the purpose of swimming faster.
I'm an authority on this subject only in a limited sense. I'm not a swim coach or a strength coach. I made a lot of improvement in my swimming when I started lifting weights, and I've given advice to a few other people (swimmers and non-swimmers) on how to get started on strength training. I draw a lot on conventional strength training wisdom. That's general strength training, not strength training for swimming.
In my opinion, and this is probably the most radical theme I'm going to stick with here, strength training advice for swimmers has always sucked. It is most often some kind of perverted and watered down version of the strength training that actual strong people do. A lot of buzzwords get added (e.g., "functional") and actual weight (i.e., iron) gets subtracted. My number one principle for strength training is this: it's not swimming! Don't mimic strokes, don't worry about skills. Just get stronger. The strength will transfer.
Safety
I'm starting with this at Jim Thornton's suggestion. Your first priority in the weight room is to avoid getting hurt.
Joint pain
This is just like swimming. The rule is: if it hurts, don't do it. Tendonitis comes on slowly, and when you feel it, you should stop doing whatever exercise causes it. There are also rehab/prehab exercises for strength and flexibility targeting any joint you can think of.
Lower back
Some lifts, particularly squats and deadlifts, require you to bend over at the waist. Do these in a mirror where you can see your side profile whenever possible, or have somebody watch your form. You need to keep your lower back slightly arched at all times, never flexed while supporting a significant weight. Some techniques to promote good form are: looking up, trying to point your chest to the ceiling, and trying to push your butt backward. Use whatever combination of these cues work for you, and check your form visually.
Dropping weight
Common sense. Overhead weights are dangerous. Don't drop heavy stuff on your head. When doing any exercise, ask yourself what would happen if you suddenly passed out and collapsed. Would the weight hit you? Would it choke you? I'm not saying to avoid exercises like that, but be careful. End your sets before you start feeling shaky. Use stops on a power rack. Ask somebody to spot you (unless you are doing squats and you aren't good friends already). Again, this should really be common sense.
Muscle soreness
Sorry, this is not an injury. I just put it here to make sure nobody mistakes it for one :) It's going to happen, and it's probably going to be far more intense than what you get from swimming.
Exercise selection
Exercise selection is all about variety. It's important to strengthen all of the muscles on the body, and you can do that by focusing on three basic movements: push, pull, and squat. Do these basic movements at different angles and positions to strengthen the entire body. Choosing different grips and equipment can also keep you from getting bored with weight training, and it can prevent joint injuries.
Push
In pushing, the elbows straighten and move away from the body. The two basic angles for pushing are forward and upward. Here's the barbell bench press, a forward pushing movement:
YouTube - Instructional Fitness - Bench Press
And here's the standing barbell shoulder press, an upward pushing movement:
YouTube - Build Muscle: Barbell Shoulder Press
And of course there are different angles and hybrids. For example, incline bench press is in between shoulder press and bench press. Also, any of these things can be done with dumbbells or other equipment.
Pull
Pulling means elbows bend and come toward the body. The two basic angles for pulling are downward and backward. Here's the dumbbell row, a backward pulling movement:
YouTube - Instructional Fitness - One-arm Dumbbell Rows
And here's a pull-up, which is not just a downward pulling movement, but the downward pulling movement that all beginning lifters must do, because of all of the different muscles it stresses:
YouTube - dead-hang pull ups with 70lb kettlebell.AVI
Squat
The squatting movement is the basis for all lower body development. My favorite squatting movement is the barbell lunge, which puts less relative stress on the lower back by working one leg at a time:
YouTube - Lunges 225 X 7
If you bend over without bending much at the knees, squatting turns into a deadlift variation. Here's the sumo deadlift:
YouTube - How to Sumo Deadlift
Load, volume, and frequency
These are parameters you need to balance. Load means: how heavy is the weight? Or, more specifically: how much force are your muscles required to produce to move it? Volume means: how many repetitions do you do? How much total work are the muscles doing? Frequency means: how often does a particular muscle get worked? You can do a full-body workout three days a week, or maybe upper body two days a week and lower body one day. Or you can get even more specific. Bodybuilders like to have days like "chest", "arms", and "shoulders" over the course of a week.
I know this sounds arbitrary, but we have to start somewhere. Here are my can't-fail load and volume parameters for newbies:
1. Do a full body workout two or three days a week, involving one push, one pull, and one squat.
2. Do between 2 and 6 sets per exercise, excluding easy/warm-up sets.
3. Do between 5 and 15 reps per set.
4. Don't take less than a full minute of rest between sets.
Within that, knock yourself out. You'll eventually come to some kind of understanding of how you respond to different amounts of volume and load, and how much variety you want. In a bit I'll give you a specific program to start with, if that's too much choice for you.
Failure and fatigue
Fatigue means you start to shake or slow down. Failure means you are no longer able to lift the weight. In my opinion, these things are way overrated. It's fun to challenge yourself and see exactly how many reps you can do to failure, but if you are doing 30 reps of 135 pounds on some exercise, 3 sets of 10 is pretty much the same as 6 sets of 5. I often prefer to do the latter, although it might take slightly longer. It all depends on how much pain you want to be in. There are some minor strength benefits to failure in strength training, but it definitely doesn't have to happen on every set, or even in every workout. It's just another parameter that you can change depending on how you like it.
Introduction plan
This is a plan that follows my guidelines. It's very similar to what I did when I started lifting. The exercises in it are the ones I showed videos of above. If you have more questions about how to do them or set up for them, please ask.
This workout is built on sets of 10 reps. Choose a very light weight to start, and slowly add weight, never more than 20 pounds at a time (or 10 pounds per dumbbell) until you can't complete 10 reps on your last set. Once you learn roughly how much weight you can do on a particular exercise, you can choose a good point to start ramping up from without wasting time.
Workout A
Assisted pull-up machine (Remember, more weight is easier on this.)
Standing barbell shoulder press (Stop any set if you start to feel shaky. Don't go to failure on these!)
Barbell alternating lunge (You can also do this holding dumbbells at your side. Pretty much the same.)
Workout B
One-arm dumbbell row (Switch arms between sets, and stop when either arm fails to get 10 reps.)
Barbell bench press (Stop a bit short of failure, or get a spotter.)
Sumo deadlift (Check your lower back form! The set is over when you lose perfect form.)
Do Workout A, rest a few days, then do Workout B. Repeat. Take extra rest days if you feel like it. Feel free to substitute similar movements if you get bored or don't like the ones I prescribe.
Questions?
Ask me!
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Those lifts are a lot like swimming -- good technique should not be injuring joints. Inclines typically cause more stress on joints.
Bench is horrible for shoulders period and inclines do not put more stress on the joint (than flat bench). But you are right, overhead can be done safely, and technique is key. If you have a history of shoulder issues I personally would skip it. Again cost vs benefit.
I look at it like this, build strength doing exercises that match or closely match movements in water, in addition strengthen muscles that help to keep things like your shoulders free from injury. Basically do no damage... I also work core for body position, and plyos for explosive starts and turns. Functional exercises like rock climbing are great for building additional strength and work well for swimming.
Typical workout for me:
• General stretching
• 3-4 sets (usually 8-10each) of pull-ups with "v"s, "t"s and "y"s between the pull-ups (10 at 8lbs - light weight)
• 3 sets of 12 cleans - light weight - flutter kicks between each set
•*3 sets of 10-12 dumbbell curls - 10-12 reps
• 3-4 sets of single arm pulls with heavy bands standing on one foot 12-14 reps per arm - bench dips - between sets 25 reps
• 3-4 sets of tri extension with bands laying on a ball (back stroke position) 25 reps
• 3 sets of machine rows 8-10 reps
• 3 sets of cable tri extension - 30 seconds on as many reps as possible.
• Balance squats standing on a medicine ball, 2 feet , 1 foot
• Box jumps
• More pull-ups in various positions.
• Stretch again
I do go heaver but it depends on the time of year/season. I also don't do a lot of rest between sets. This is an advanced workout but can be paired down.
Here is my problem,too many years of doing stupid stuff has left me with lumbar disc problems.If I try to lift very much with like dead lifts or overhead presses my left leg goes numb.I can do pulley exercises and stability ball exercises fine.I want to increase my leg strength,which for a breaststroker is vital,but I seem to be stuck with using the machines for leg presses and leg curls.Any suggestions.
Have you tried lunges? I specifically chose that lift for my intro workouts because of the lessened lower back stress. There are a lot of single-leg variations on lower body exercises to try: split squats, step ups, single-leg deadlifts.
Leg press and leg curls are good exercises, although I would worry with that combo that you aren't really using the glutes, which are an important muscle. In swimming you need strong glutes for a powerful start and push-off.
Bench is horrible for shoulders period and inclines do not put more stress on the joint (than flat bench). But you are right, overhead can be done safely, and technique is key. If you have a history of shoulder issues I personally would skip it. Again cost vs benefit.
I look at it like this, build strength doing exercises that match or closely match movements in water, in addition strengthen muscles that help to keep things like your shoulders free from injury. Basically do no damage... I also work core for body position, and plyos for explosive starts and turns. Functional exercises like rock climbing are great for building additional strength and work well for swimming.
Typical workout for me:
• General stretching
• 3-4 sets (usually 8-10each) of pull-ups with "v"s, "t"s and "y"s between the pull-ups (10 at 8lbs - light weight)
• 3 sets of 12 cleans - light weight - flutter kicks between each set
•*3 sets of 10-12 dumbbell curls - 10-12 reps
• 3-4 sets of single arm pulls with heavy bands standing on one foot 12-14 reps per arm - bench dips - between sets 25 reps
• 3-4 sets of tri extension with bands laying on a ball (back stroke position) 25 reps
• 3 sets of machine rows 8-10 reps
• 3 sets of cable tri extension - 30 seconds on as many reps as possible.
• Balance squats standing on a medicine ball, 2 feet , 1 foot
• Box jumps
• More pull-ups in various positions.
• Stretch again
I do go heaver but it depends on the time of year/season. I also don't do a lot of rest between sets. This is an advanced workout but can be paired down.
You hate bench press and say it is bad "period", but you do bench dips? That's funny; I don't do dips of any kind because they hurt my shoulders in an extreme way, and yet I did bench press earlier this week and it was fine. Different people respond differently. Don't tell people that some exercise is bad just because you personally get pain when you try it.
Edit: snark removal :)
I am not so sure that translating strength gains in the weight room to the swimming pool is as straightforward as you stated earlier. I have been wondering lately whether there may be a place in the training cycle -- maybe in the weeks leading into the taper phase -- where you reduce intensity in the weight room and add more strength-related exercises in the water (eg, swimming against resistance -- by using chutes, for example -- or using paddles or doing sets that work more on "explosiveness").
I tried this just informally this past season: I stopped doing weights about 8 weeks out from nationals (training wasn't the only reason for this, there were also some time constraints due to work as well as aching elbows that needed a little break from the weightroom). To compensate I tried to do some of those strength-related exercises I mentioned in the water. I didn't feel any less strong than usual at nationals, and my performances didn't suffer for it either, IMO.
Understand, I don't think that these things can replace weights on an ongoing basis. You just cannot generate the same resistance in the water that you can in the weight room. But I also don't feel the benefits of a good weight program are lost in a mere 1-2 weeks, either, especially if you do power-type things in the pool.
As a related point: opinions about when to stop weights going into taper seem to be all over the map. Some people lift almost up to the meet itself, wanting to feel powerful. Others (I am among them) like 3 weeks or more. Thoughts?
I agree with you, and I should clarify something about the transfer of strength: it only takes place in the long term. The strength gains or losses a person will see in one or two weeks are overwhelmingly just skill-related. You learn to be more efficient at doing particular lifts. That's nice and all, but it has nothing to do with swimming.
For a taper, I don't think there would be much residual fatigue from lifting past two weeks. Muscle atrophy can start to occur at that point, although strength work in the water can prevent it. Personally, I don't ever do more than a two-week layoff from weights.
This also depends on how often you taper. If you drop weights three weeks out, four times a year, you lose a quarter of your potential strength building time. You risk being in a situation where you never get stronger, but only regain what you lost while you were resting.
This thread reminds me a lot of an article that I recently read which has inspired me & my swim buddy to take up some old-fashioned weight training:
www.mensjournal.com/everything-you-know-about-fitness-is-a-lie
We're starting with bench press, squats, and deadlifts, as well as some isometrics recommended in the article. I'm still in the mode where I'm feeling sore all the time while I get used to it, but I love that this is pure strength, which is something I think many of us amateurs and newbies can really use. (In a few weeks, I've already added 20 pounds to all my sets.)
There's a lot of crazy weight regiments and expensive programs out there (many of which feature the letter "X") but right now I'm of the opinion that working on building some basic strength might really be the key for many of us.
All swimmers need to read that article. Thanks for sharing it. I wish you lots of fun on your new lifting program.
Your workout seems very upper body oriented. You do a squat on a med ball?! Or did you mean bosu?
For explosive power, I think eccentric exercises, extreme angle isometrics and plyos have a role.
As to Chris' question, I drop all drylands three weeks out. It takes forever for my legs to rest.
I agree with regards to eccentric exercises. I think they are great for injury prevention too since you can gaining strength using slightly lighter weights and you stress the muscle in the way which I at least normally incur injuries these days - while its being stretched vs contracted.
I also think lifting to failure is important. I try to pick a weight where I can barely achieve 8-12 reps, focusing on perfect form and explosive lift followed by slow return (up to 10 secs). If I can do more than 12 reps then I up the weight. If I start a rep and can tell I wont get it done without compromising form, I stop and consider that failure.
Hard lifting does impact my swim workouts, but the benefits are clear when I rest/taper.
This thread is an expansion of Ande's Swimming Faster Faster Tip 31: Get Strong. This is where I give advice on how to get stronger for the purpose of swimming faster.
Great thread! I'm honored that you mentioned SFF Tip 31: Get Strong
If I could only do one weight exercise to swim faster it would be:
Lat Press or Power Bands
next would be leg press or squats
next would be lat pull or pull ups
next triceps press & Dips
crunches & core work
If you're lifting to swim faster, you need to strengthen the muscles that apply power to the water when you swim. Some people are too muscular to maximize their swimming potential but most swimmers aren't. They are too weak and could greatly benefit by gaining strength & some size.
some might find this link helpful:
Bodybuilding.com - Weight Training For Sprint Swimmers! by Jason Lezak
It's also SUPER important to SWIM & KICK really fast in practice. (SDK & Flutter)
do Short FAST FIERCE stuff with lots of rest
12.5's, 15's, 25's, & 50's
At 2008 Nats in Austin Rich Abrahams told me
"Two of the biggest mistakes many swimmers make in training are:
1) They swim too fast when they should be swimming slow and
2) too slow when they should be swimming fast."
also
anything you do and measure improves.
If you get measurably stronger in key exercises you're very likely to swim faster. Also if you hold on to more strength as you age, you're likely to stay faster longer.
What's most detrimental to getting stronger?
Distance training and aerobic sets, they break you down.
What's most detrimental to getting stronger?
Distance training and aerobic sets, they break you down.
So, what would be some sample sets (for my level :blush: ) that would help make me stronger and better aerobically conditioned for an optimally split 200 breaststroke race? What would be helpful is seeing an example of an "aerobic set", then see how you would adjust it to fit this goal. Thanks! :)
P.S. And, how is it best to train when the goal is to get stronger and faster in all three breaststroke races; especially since the 200 is a different animal than the 50?
I am reading the Men's Journal article and didn't like how they described the bar position for the back squat.
What is described in the article is considered riding high, the bar might actually be sitting on the spine, it isn't a comfortable position and if you squat using this position regularly, you will end up with a callus at the base of your neck.
Positioning the bar lower across the shoulder blades if more comfortable, more stable, the bar doesn't touch the spine and no calluses.
Here is a lovely picture I found comparing the two.
macgyver.users.daug.net/.../squat_bar_position.jpg