200yd butterfly

I do #1 pretty much all the time. Most of my workouts are a freestyle base or IM base. I don't really do that much full stroke fly in practice anymore. #2 I really should work on more. My strongest kick is my kick as my hands are finishing the stroke past the hips. I'm sure I could improve with my SDKs though. Always something to work on. #3 & #4 Check. Can do. This takes lots of time to be relaxed and swim fast fly. I've always had the "natural fly stroke" from the age group years. #5 Yingfa Baby!!! $33!!! #6 1 or 2??!?! Full 200s!!???!! I'll just save these for the meets. :) #7 This is the biggie!! I love to get out fast...and this is also the killer for me. I don't have enough true endurance to be able to hold on to my splits, but my heart still wants to try!! This is the part That Guy really enjoys in the head to head races. Hopefully we'll actually get to go head to head this next fall sometime!! :banana: Very nice advice Ande!! It's good to know that I'm already 80% or so following your advice. :applaud: I don't train freestyle consistently, though I am starting to believe that it is the best cross-training for fly. This training cycle I am extending the 6 beat freestyle that I learned last cycle to longer distances. Training with a slower 6 beat kick in freestyle this week has felt like a whole different stroke since I have literally never done it before. Yes, I have to keep reminding myself of this. I should write the words "BIG KICK" in Sharpie on the back of my hands every time I go to a meet where I'm going to swim the 200 fly. That way those words are the last thing I'll see right before the starting buzzer. Yes, I'm always working on this. This too. Tyr Tracer Light here I don't do this either. In 2011 I've raced the 200 fly 4 times in meets (3 SCY, 1 SCM) and I swam it once in practice a few days before each meet. So that's 8 200 flys in 15 calendar weeks so far this year. Most of the time I don't go longer than 100's in practice. During long course season, I will go longer a bit more often. I have a tendency to go out too slowly and then split my 100's only 2-3 seconds apart. But if I have a rabbit next to me, I might go out a little faster and also have someone to chase down on the second 100. I'm 3-0 against James in the 200 fly, but who's counting? :D

My advice for you is: 1) Train for the 500 free Swim: 5 or 6 times a week, more is more SFF Tip Lift: 2 or 3 times a week Last 150 of my 500 falls off has a lot of great ideas Train more freestyle than butterfly when swimming fly: Never take a sloppy stroke (except in meets, but hopefully not there either) 2) Kicking: Improve your SDK & butterfly kick establish best times for 15, 25, 50, 75, 100, 150, & 200 & improve them 3) Develop butterfly easy speed, (which sounds like an oxymoron) 4) Improve your butterfly technique, butterfly is a flat stroke with a slight undulation many swimmers swim fly with too much up and down movement, too much knee bend in their kick 5) get a Speedy Suit 6) swim 1 or 2 fast correctly split 200 fly's in practice each week & 7) master correct splitting for your 200 fly the ideal way to split any stroke 200 is: 50 easy speed, (breathe, save your legs, stay relaxed, & don't hurry) then hold your next three 50's around the same exact time ie: 28.5 30.1 30.2 30.0 you need to feel pretty good at the 100 (btw the same principle applies to IM's, the times will vary, it's about the effort on each part) when swimmers go out too hard on their 200's, their next 3 50's get progressively slower. If you take your 200 out: + a bit too hard, your 50's will drop off by 0.25 to 0.5 of a second, which many swimmers and coaches don't see as a problem ie 28.5 30.0 30.5 31.0 + too hard, your 50's will drop off by 0.5 to 1.0 of a second ie 28.5 30.0 31.0 32.0 + way too hard, your 50's will drop off by 1.0 to 2.0 seconds ie 28.0 30.0 32.0 34.0 + WAY WAY too hard, your 50's will drop off by 2.0 seconds or more, your time won't be as fast as it could have been if you split it right, but you will entertain your friends and give them a "remember when story to remind you about:" ie one teammate split his 200 fly: 28 32 36 44 also in 1981, when I was 18, I raced the 200 fly at LCM TAGS, I went 2:17 but split it 1:00 1:17 don't remember my 50's but they probably were: 27, 33, 37, 40 & that last 75 was agonizing awful I went slower than I was capable of and the race hurt way worse than it would have if I'd split it correctly. You can also make the mistake of taking your 200 out too easy and giving up too much front end speed. Try different ways and find out what works best for you.

I have a tendency to go out too slowly and then split my 100's only 2-3 seconds apart. But if I have a rabbit next to me, I might go out a little faster and also have someone to chase down on the second 100. I'm 3-0 against James in the 200 fly, but who's counting? Bring it... :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: It'll either be next fall SCY or SCM for our next gridge match!!

I haven't swam the 200 fly since 1987. and even then it was a one time deal. recently over here, they started a postal meet. so we have from last week until the end of May to swim 100/200 + 200 IM at practice and mail in our times. I started with the 200m fly yesterday. Ouch! Rough split at 100 was 1:18 and final time was 2:54.74 (1:36). if I had to guess my 50 splits it would looke like :35 :43 :46 :51 if I manage to get the other 8 swims in before the end of May I am going to try the 200 fly again. :38 :40 :42 : 42 = 2:42 that's roughly how I swim my 200 ***. for reference I swim the 50m fly 29.96, and 100 fly 1:08.9, but would like to get down to 1:06 (just under 1:00 in yds)

Start and keep a breathing pattern, right from the start of the swim...especially in training, that way it's really driven into your body so that it come naturally when you swim it in a race. I use the 1 stroke head down, 2 strokes with a breath pattern. Everyone is different, find what works and go with it. :) Here's me swimming 200 fly: YouTube - 4-9-11 200 Fly in the Free event NW Zone.mp4 I just read an email on the Butternuts email list that this dude swam the 500, 1000, and 1650 as fly at the Michigan Masters meet last weekend. He also swam the 50, 100, and 200 fly events. And he had the flu. :applaud:

I just read an email on the Butternuts email list that this dude swam the 500, 1000, and 1650 as fly at the Michigan Masters meet last weekend. He also swam the 50, 100, and 200 fly events. And he had the flu. :applaud: That sounds dangerously close to another one of your "stupid" challenges, is it???? :afraid: SCY maybe. If I do a 1650 Fly, it will have to be at our Wenatchee meet next winter. That way I don't have far to drive home. You'll have to come over for that one!! :applaud:

I haven't swam Uh oh, don't let cheakamus see this! :bolt:

That sounds dangerously close to another one of your "stupid" challenges, is it???? :afraid: SCY maybe. If I do a 1650 Fly, it will have to be at our Wenatchee meet next winter. That way I don't have far to drive home. You'll have to come over for that one!! :applaud: I didn't challenge you... you did that all by yourself :)

Uh oh, don't let cheakamus see this! :bolt: I seen it!:frustrated:

Uh oh, don't let cheakamus see this! :bolt: that's one of the problems with living overseas for 22 of 36 yrs... the more comfortable I get with the local language the more my english deteriorates! But my Swenglish is nearly perfect!