So, I am a so-so butterflyer--go 27.5 in the 50 yds and 1:04 IN THE 100 (59 yds old). I can only maintain body position and foreward motion if I am going around :32 on the 50's. I can't maintain any form and swim slower. Anything slower than this and I take on a cork like profile--all bobbing. I would like to learn to swim the 200 but there is no way in this life that I can maintain a :32 sec split--I want to know how I should train/what I should do to smooth out my form, swim slower and be able to hit ~ :36 sec's on the 50's. A mid 2::20's on the 200 would suit me fine.
I do #1 pretty much all the time. Most of my workouts are a freestyle base or IM base. I don't really do that much full stroke fly in practice anymore.
#2 I really should work on more. My strongest kick is my kick as my hands are finishing the stroke past the hips. I'm sure I could improve with my SDKs though. Always something to work on.
#3 & #4 Check. Can do. This takes lots of time to be relaxed and swim fast fly. I've always had the "natural fly stroke" from the age group years.
#5 Yingfa Baby!!! $33!!!
#6 1 or 2??!?! Full 200s!!???!! I'll just save these for the meets. :)
#7 This is the biggie!! I love to get out fast...and this is also the killer for me. I don't have enough true endurance to be able to hold on to my splits, but my heart still wants to try!! This is the part That Guy really enjoys in the head to head races. Hopefully we'll actually get to go head to head this next fall sometime!! :banana:
Very nice advice Ande!! It's good to know that I'm already 80% or so following your advice. :applaud:
I don't train freestyle consistently, though I am starting to believe that it is the best cross-training for fly. This training cycle I am extending the 6 beat freestyle that I learned last cycle to longer distances. Training with a slower 6 beat kick in freestyle this week has felt like a whole different stroke since I have literally never done it before.
Yes, I have to keep reminding myself of this. I should write the words "BIG KICK" in Sharpie on the back of my hands every time I go to a meet where I'm going to swim the 200 fly. That way those words are the last thing I'll see right before the starting buzzer.
Yes, I'm always working on this.
This too.
Tyr Tracer Light here
I don't do this either. In 2011 I've raced the 200 fly 4 times in meets (3 SCY, 1 SCM) and I swam it once in practice a few days before each meet. So that's 8 200 flys in 15 calendar weeks so far this year. Most of the time I don't go longer than 100's in practice. During long course season, I will go longer a bit more often.
I have a tendency to go out too slowly and then split my 100's only 2-3 seconds apart. But if I have a rabbit next to me, I might go out a little faster and also have someone to chase down on the second 100. I'm 3-0 against James in the 200 fly, but who's counting? :D
I do #1 pretty much all the time. Most of my workouts are a freestyle base or IM base. I don't really do that much full stroke fly in practice anymore.
#2 I really should work on more. My strongest kick is my kick as my hands are finishing the stroke past the hips. I'm sure I could improve with my SDKs though. Always something to work on.
#3 & #4 Check. Can do. This takes lots of time to be relaxed and swim fast fly. I've always had the "natural fly stroke" from the age group years.
#5 Yingfa Baby!!! $33!!!
#6 1 or 2??!?! Full 200s!!???!! I'll just save these for the meets. :)
#7 This is the biggie!! I love to get out fast...and this is also the killer for me. I don't have enough true endurance to be able to hold on to my splits, but my heart still wants to try!! This is the part That Guy really enjoys in the head to head races. Hopefully we'll actually get to go head to head this next fall sometime!! :banana:
Very nice advice Ande!! It's good to know that I'm already 80% or so following your advice. :applaud:
I don't train freestyle consistently, though I am starting to believe that it is the best cross-training for fly. This training cycle I am extending the 6 beat freestyle that I learned last cycle to longer distances. Training with a slower 6 beat kick in freestyle this week has felt like a whole different stroke since I have literally never done it before.
Yes, I have to keep reminding myself of this. I should write the words "BIG KICK" in Sharpie on the back of my hands every time I go to a meet where I'm going to swim the 200 fly. That way those words are the last thing I'll see right before the starting buzzer.
Yes, I'm always working on this.
This too.
Tyr Tracer Light here
I don't do this either. In 2011 I've raced the 200 fly 4 times in meets (3 SCY, 1 SCM) and I swam it once in practice a few days before each meet. So that's 8 200 flys in 15 calendar weeks so far this year. Most of the time I don't go longer than 100's in practice. During long course season, I will go longer a bit more often.
I have a tendency to go out too slowly and then split my 100's only 2-3 seconds apart. But if I have a rabbit next to me, I might go out a little faster and also have someone to chase down on the second 100. I'm 3-0 against James in the 200 fly, but who's counting? :D
