200yd butterfly

So, I am a so-so butterflyer--go 27.5 in the 50 yds and 1:04 IN THE 100 (59 yds old). I can only maintain body position and foreward motion if I am going around :32 on the 50's. I can't maintain any form and swim slower. Anything slower than this and I take on a cork like profile--all bobbing. I would like to learn to swim the 200 but there is no way in this life that I can maintain a :32 sec split--I want to know how I should train/what I should do to smooth out my form, swim slower and be able to hit ~ :36 sec's on the 50's. A mid 2::20's on the 200 would suit me fine.
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  • My advice for you is: 1) Train for the 500 free Swim: 5 or 6 times a week, more is more SFF Tip Lift: 2 or 3 times a week Last 150 of my 500 falls off has a lot of great ideas Train more freestyle than butterfly when swimming fly: Never take a sloppy stroke (except in meets, but hopefully not there either) 2) Kicking: Improve your SDK & butterfly kick establish best times for 15, 25, 50, 75, 100, 150, & 200 & improve them 3) Develop butterfly easy speed, (which sounds like an oxymoron) 4) Improve your butterfly technique, butterfly is a flat stroke with a slight undulation many swimmers swim fly with too much up and down movement, too much knee bend in their kick 5) get a Speedy Suit 6) swim 1 or 2 fast correctly split 200 fly's in practice each week & 7) master correct splitting for your 200 fly the ideal way to split any stroke 200 is: 50 easy speed, (breathe, save your legs, stay relaxed, & don't hurry) then hold your next three 50's around the same exact time ie: 28.5 30.1 30.2 30.0 you need to feel pretty good at the 100 (btw the same principle applies to IM's, the times will vary, it's about the effort on each part) when swimmers go out too hard on their 200's, their next 3 50's get progressively slower. If you take your 200 out: + a bit too hard, your 50's will drop off by 0.25 to 0.5 of a second, which many swimmers and coaches don't see as a problem ie 28.5 30.0 30.5 31.0 + too hard, your 50's will drop off by 0.5 to 1.0 of a second ie 28.5 30.0 31.0 32.0 + way too hard, your 50's will drop off by 1.0 to 2.0 seconds ie 28.0 30.0 32.0 34.0 + WAY WAY too hard, your 50's will drop off by 2.0 seconds or more, your time won't be as fast as it could have been if you split it right, but you will entertain your friends and give them a "remember when story to remind you about:" ie one teammate split his 200 fly: 28 32 36 44 also in 1981, when I was 18, I raced the 200 fly at LCM TAGS, I went 2:17 but split it 1:00 1:17 don't remember my 50's but they probably were: 27, 33, 37, 40 & that last 75 was agonizing awful I went slower than I was capable of and the race hurt way worse than it would have if I'd split it correctly. You can also make the mistake of taking your 200 out too easy and giving up too much front end speed. Try different ways and find out what works best for you.
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  • My advice for you is: 1) Train for the 500 free Swim: 5 or 6 times a week, more is more SFF Tip Lift: 2 or 3 times a week Last 150 of my 500 falls off has a lot of great ideas Train more freestyle than butterfly when swimming fly: Never take a sloppy stroke (except in meets, but hopefully not there either) 2) Kicking: Improve your SDK & butterfly kick establish best times for 15, 25, 50, 75, 100, 150, & 200 & improve them 3) Develop butterfly easy speed, (which sounds like an oxymoron) 4) Improve your butterfly technique, butterfly is a flat stroke with a slight undulation many swimmers swim fly with too much up and down movement, too much knee bend in their kick 5) get a Speedy Suit 6) swim 1 or 2 fast correctly split 200 fly's in practice each week & 7) master correct splitting for your 200 fly the ideal way to split any stroke 200 is: 50 easy speed, (breathe, save your legs, stay relaxed, & don't hurry) then hold your next three 50's around the same exact time ie: 28.5 30.1 30.2 30.0 you need to feel pretty good at the 100 (btw the same principle applies to IM's, the times will vary, it's about the effort on each part) when swimmers go out too hard on their 200's, their next 3 50's get progressively slower. If you take your 200 out: + a bit too hard, your 50's will drop off by 0.25 to 0.5 of a second, which many swimmers and coaches don't see as a problem ie 28.5 30.0 30.5 31.0 + too hard, your 50's will drop off by 0.5 to 1.0 of a second ie 28.5 30.0 31.0 32.0 + way too hard, your 50's will drop off by 1.0 to 2.0 seconds ie 28.0 30.0 32.0 34.0 + WAY WAY too hard, your 50's will drop off by 2.0 seconds or more, your time won't be as fast as it could have been if you split it right, but you will entertain your friends and give them a "remember when story to remind you about:" ie one teammate split his 200 fly: 28 32 36 44 also in 1981, when I was 18, I raced the 200 fly at LCM TAGS, I went 2:17 but split it 1:00 1:17 don't remember my 50's but they probably were: 27, 33, 37, 40 & that last 75 was agonizing awful I went slower than I was capable of and the race hurt way worse than it would have if I'd split it correctly. You can also make the mistake of taking your 200 out too easy and giving up too much front end speed. Try different ways and find out what works best for you.
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