DQ'd

I saw that 200 back. It was a beautiful race. I hope the magic will happen again. I find summer league judges to be somewhat trigger happy. Most knowledgable officials will give kids the benefit of the doubt unless a DQ is really clear. It's the inexperienced ones that typically search for a DQ. I was at a high school meet Friday night where I was an RTO. Another judge who had never officiated before called an early start. I did not, and it definitely wasn't. Fortunately, on that call, the two judges must agree so the team was not DQ'd. Allen, it completely sucks to be DQ'd at a taper meet that you've travelled for. If you're kicking in the middle of your pull down, I have no idea what the judge can see. Your toes moving or bobbing? Your body moving naturally? This year, I was DQ'd twice in ***, 100 *** at Zones (allegedly 2 complete stroke cycles, total BS) and 50 *** at Nats (double dolphin). Because I pre-kick before the pulldown, there is undulation when I pull down hard. (BTW, I think that is what I saw in watching David Guthrie's swim on the vid of Ande's record breaking medley relay this weekend.) How is it possible to not move the rest of your body when your upper half is engaged in a ferocious pulling motion? IDK, but I agree with Chris that there are now too many DQs as a result of the rule change. And it's odd. In 2009, I swam my 50 breasts (one an AA) the same way -- no DQ. In 2010, two DQs. Officials seem to be looking for something in breaststroke now. I am sorry about Laura Val and her 200 back. What did she allegedly do in that race? A non-continuous turn? When I was DQ'd at Nats (and that was after missing my heat for not being able to hear the start), I allowed myself some time to rage, then put it aside and concentrated on my next race. But, honestly, it soured my Nats experience. And it's made me more paranoid. Like Chris, now I have to worry about evil -- though I'll likely stop racing it as much -- and backstroke (15 meter rule). Still, I am stubborn and sticking with the pre kick and max SDK. And I think protesting a DQ at a masters meet is futile. The referee is typically not watching the race, so per se can't overrule a S&T. But I think they should be willing to throw out more DQ slips when the S&Ts don't write to the rule. Laura will probably chime in but this is what she told me:She was DQd for a "hesitation" in the turn.She asked if that meant the turn was non-continuous and was told no,she asked if she kicked too much to the wall and was told no,she showed the judge the rule book and asked what her infraction was and was told "it is not in the rule book it is on this card" and the judge held up a card she had around her neck saying the new clarification of the rules was on the card.(I do not believe she allowed Laura to look at the card.)Then Laura said"I have a video of the race can we review that" to see what if anything she did wrong.She was told no,that is not relevant.(Laura,if I have any details wrong please correct me,)

I saw that 200 back. It was a beautiful race. I hope the magic will happen again. I find summer league judges to be somewhat trigger happy. Most knowledgable officials will give kids the benefit of the doubt unless a DQ is really clear. It's the inexperienced ones that typically search for a DQ. I was at a high school meet Friday night where I was an RTO. Another judge who had never officiated before called an early start. I did not, and it definitely wasn't. Fortunately, on that call, the two judges must agree so the team was not DQ'd. Allen, it completely sucks to be DQ'd at a taper meet that you've travelled for. If you're kicking in the middle of your pull down, I have no idea what the judge can see. Your toes moving or bobbing? Your body moving naturally? This year, I was DQ'd twice in ***, 100 *** at Zones (allegedly 2 complete stroke cycles, total BS) and 50 *** at Nats (double dolphin). Because I pre-kick before the pulldown, there is undulation when I pull down hard. (BTW, I think that is what I saw in watching David Guthrie's swim on the vid of Ande's record breaking medley relay this weekend.) How is it possible to not move the rest of your body when your upper half is engaged in a ferocious pulling motion? IDK, but I agree with Chris that there are now too many DQs as a result of the rule change. And it's odd. In 2009, I swam my 50 breasts (one an AA) the same way -- no DQ. In 2010, two DQs. Officials seem to be looking for something in breaststroke now. I am sorry about Laura Val and her 200 back. What did she allegedly do in that race? A non-continuous turn? When I was DQ'd at Nats (and that was after missing my heat for not being able to hear the start), I allowed myself some time to rage, then put it aside and concentrated on my next race. But, honestly, it soured my Nats experience. And it's made me more paranoid. Like Chris, now I have to worry about evil -- though I'll likely stop racing it as much -- and backstroke (15 meter rule). Still, I am stubborn and sticking with the pre kick and max SDK. And I think protesting a DQ at a masters meet is futile. The referee is typically not watching the race, so per se can't overrule a S&T. But I think they should be willing to throw out more DQ slips when the S&Ts don't write to the rule. Laura will probably chime in but this is what she told me:She was DQd for a "hesitation" in the turn.She asked if that meant the turn was non-continuous and was told no,she asked if she kicked too much to the wall and was told no,she showed the judge the rule book and asked what her infraction was and was told "it is not in the rule book it is on this card" and the judge held up a card she had around her neck saying the new clarification of the rules was on the card.(I do not believe she allowed Laura to look at the card.)Then Laura said"I have a video of the race can we review that" to see what if anything she did wrong.She was told no,that is not relevant.(Laura,if I have any details wrong please correct me,)