Conventional and EVF can be one in the same unless a conventional swimming stroke means purposely dropping your elbow. The pulling pattern should never be straight back because the longer and the harder the hand moves backward the greater reduction in drag force (negative drag coefficient). The hand must move (scull slightly) into less turbulent water so peak drag force or pulling power can be maintained. As strong swimmers begin to improve their EVF, sprinters will begin to evolve into more right angled looking strokes like Rebecca Addlington's and less like Alain Bernard's. With everything being equal, a stroke like Bernards, in my opinion, can become faster by getting his forearm/hand vertical earlier. With that being said, Bernard may have anatomical factors (weak shoulder cuff, flexibility issues, EVF strength conversion habit issues) that could prevent that EVF alteration (his coach knows best). My contention is that any swimmer who can, without compromising anatomical health, improve the length of time they can keep their hand/forearm in the vertical position and improve how early they can get their hand / forearm in a vertical position, will drop time. I think conventional (as long as it doesn’t mean purposely dropping your elbow) and EVF are the same and physical limitations and training habits create the variances from swimmer to swimmer. The fastest swimmers in the world may have different looking strokes but the winners keep their hands/forearm in the vertical position earlier and in a vertical position that produces the most power the longest. Getting your hand / forearm in a power position early and keeping it their longer, isn’t all about pulling strength, it’s more importantly about the ability to resist dropping one’s elbow. I started doing an exercise where swimmers kick 50 yards with fins, holding their arms in front of them (breathe to the side or in the front), holding an EVF position. Try it and it will show you the ability to “set-up” your stroke early (conventional or not) is more difficult than you can imagine. The pressure of simply swimming forward requires strong shoulder-cuff stabilizing muscles ( supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, and subscapularis) and the above exercise will show you how weak or strong yours are. I think it’s safe to say, more often than not, swimmers don’t have the necessary shoulder cuff strength that allows them to properly “set-up” their stroke. And, let’s think about it, if you can’t keep your arm in a “set-up” position (conventional or not) for 50 yards, what are the chances of ever developing a better “set-up position until you strengthen and train to improve the muscles responsible for that position. I think isometrics and the use of surgical tubing offers the most effective way to improve shoulder-cuff strength. Email me at tomtomp@netzero.com if you’re interested in more information. Good luck, Coach T.
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Conventional and EVF can be one in the same unless a conventional swimming stroke means purposely dropping your elbow. You've seen my stroke already?
How would you qualify it? EVF or Dropped Elbow?
Here. Rapidly. EVF could (in my mind) stand for Early or Exaggerated vertical forearm. In both cases, what distinguishes from conventional stroke is that the steepest vertical forearm position is achieve very early in the pull phase.
Some level of vertical forearm position is achieved somewhere (as opposed to as early as possible) during more conventional free style.
Dropping the Elbow is a flaw coach T. Comparing EVF with a flawed technique is missing the point in my opinion, and with all due respect.
I am sure you can easily understand the nuance between the two, since as far as I can recall, you were the one suggesting this great clip on EVF, a clip that is still unmatched in my mind.... (for your own reference YouTube- ‪How to swim with a High Elbow Catch/EVF - Total Immersion Israel‬ )
The element, for me, not talking theory here but applied theory, that distingishes EVF from conventional the most in this clip Coach T is this recommendation to wait for flatter body position before bending the arm.
Wait for flatter body position before bending the arm has a severe impact on my free style timing, and is forcing me to perform massive volumes of 1-arm drill (talking 400-600m per arm at the time of writing this post). So don't tell me there's no diff between this and my old way of swimming, which didn't involve dropped elbow at all.
Hope it helps clarifying.
My contention is that any swimmer who can, without compromising anatomical health, improve the length of time they can keep their hand/forearm in the vertical position and improve how early they can get their hand / forearm in a vertical position, will drop time. Well, I would rather state that any swimmer who, as a result of improving EVF, can improve on either the distance per stroke and/or stroke rate will drop time. Because let's keep it clear that time is function of these two. So your medicine has to have a favorable impact in these areas.
Conventional and EVF can be one in the same unless a conventional swimming stroke means purposely dropping your elbow. You've seen my stroke already?
How would you qualify it? EVF or Dropped Elbow?
Here. Rapidly. EVF could (in my mind) stand for Early or Exaggerated vertical forearm. In both cases, what distinguishes from conventional stroke is that the steepest vertical forearm position is achieve very early in the pull phase.
Some level of vertical forearm position is achieved somewhere (as opposed to as early as possible) during more conventional free style.
Dropping the Elbow is a flaw coach T. Comparing EVF with a flawed technique is missing the point in my opinion, and with all due respect.
I am sure you can easily understand the nuance between the two, since as far as I can recall, you were the one suggesting this great clip on EVF, a clip that is still unmatched in my mind.... (for your own reference YouTube- ‪How to swim with a High Elbow Catch/EVF - Total Immersion Israel‬ )
The element, for me, not talking theory here but applied theory, that distingishes EVF from conventional the most in this clip Coach T is this recommendation to wait for flatter body position before bending the arm.
Wait for flatter body position before bending the arm has a severe impact on my free style timing, and is forcing me to perform massive volumes of 1-arm drill (talking 400-600m per arm at the time of writing this post). So don't tell me there's no diff between this and my old way of swimming, which didn't involve dropped elbow at all.
Hope it helps clarifying.
My contention is that any swimmer who can, without compromising anatomical health, improve the length of time they can keep their hand/forearm in the vertical position and improve how early they can get their hand / forearm in a vertical position, will drop time. Well, I would rather state that any swimmer who, as a result of improving EVF, can improve on either the distance per stroke and/or stroke rate will drop time. Because let's keep it clear that time is function of these two. So your medicine has to have a favorable impact in these areas.