Can you swim without internal shoulder rotation?

I did a quick search and saw a lot of threads on shoulders with a lot of responses, so if this has been discussed before, smack (I mean FORGIVE) me, or something. But is it possible, and optimal, to swim all four strokes without internally rotating the shoulder joint? As in sliding the hands in flat, always, rather than "pinkie out/pinkie in" for backstroke, or slightly angled hands (thumb first) for entry in fly (and I think even ever-so-slightly angled hands means slightly internally rotated shoulder joint, means ouch ouch ouch for me). Etc. (for free and ***, too, flat-handed entry, never internally rotating?)
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    No I don't think it is possible to swim without any level of internal rotation. This is especially true for free style though. Breaststroke there's minimal internal rotation involved on the outsweep. Fly, you can get away with a pulling pathway internal rotation free, but there may be a bit of rotation during the arm recovery Back, I know next to nothing about this stroke. I believe that the level of IR is minimal anyway. Free, IR level could range from minimal to extreme depending on the level of Early Vertical Forearm you want to put to it, and depending on the timing of your pulling relative to body rotation, as CoachT once demonstrated on this site in another thread. That said, the level of internal rotation that you'll put in your technique can vary a lot, depending on several factors. Ref to CoachT excellent thread: www.usms.org/.../showthread.php
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  • Former Member
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    No I don't think it is possible to swim without any level of internal rotation. This is especially true for free style though. Breaststroke there's minimal internal rotation involved on the outsweep. Fly, you can get away with a pulling pathway internal rotation free, but there may be a bit of rotation during the arm recovery Back, I know next to nothing about this stroke. I believe that the level of IR is minimal anyway. Free, IR level could range from minimal to extreme depending on the level of Early Vertical Forearm you want to put to it, and depending on the timing of your pulling relative to body rotation, as CoachT once demonstrated on this site in another thread. That said, the level of internal rotation that you'll put in your technique can vary a lot, depending on several factors. Ref to CoachT excellent thread: www.usms.org/.../showthread.php
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