Can you swim without internal shoulder rotation?

I did a quick search and saw a lot of threads on shoulders with a lot of responses, so if this has been discussed before, smack (I mean FORGIVE) me, or something. But is it possible, and optimal, to swim all four strokes without internally rotating the shoulder joint? As in sliding the hands in flat, always, rather than "pinkie out/pinkie in" for backstroke, or slightly angled hands (thumb first) for entry in fly (and I think even ever-so-slightly angled hands means slightly internally rotated shoulder joint, means ouch ouch ouch for me). Etc. (for free and ***, too, flat-handed entry, never internally rotating?)
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  • Pinkie and thumb location should be able to be handled by the forearm, not the shoulder, anyway. Verrry interesting. At first I thought, but no! My dance books of olde say that where the hand goeth, there goeth the shoulder joint and all problems of the shoulder, thereof. (Actually my dance books are not all that old and I'm citing a teacher at Julliard.) But if I hold my arm straight out, yes, I can move my forearm separately from my shoulder joint, at the elbow, so my hands and forearm can be slightly angled and my shoulder joint doesn't move. However, with the force/resistance of water, that seems pretty tricky to do without rotating your shoulder joint. Will test this out in slow motion. May resort to slapping water as thewookiee does. "Thewookieedoes" could be a new term for that kind of entry.
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  • Pinkie and thumb location should be able to be handled by the forearm, not the shoulder, anyway. Verrry interesting. At first I thought, but no! My dance books of olde say that where the hand goeth, there goeth the shoulder joint and all problems of the shoulder, thereof. (Actually my dance books are not all that old and I'm citing a teacher at Julliard.) But if I hold my arm straight out, yes, I can move my forearm separately from my shoulder joint, at the elbow, so my hands and forearm can be slightly angled and my shoulder joint doesn't move. However, with the force/resistance of water, that seems pretty tricky to do without rotating your shoulder joint. Will test this out in slow motion. May resort to slapping water as thewookiee does. "Thewookieedoes" could be a new term for that kind of entry.
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