On another thread the question was raised how many people have had swims that did not get reported to Top Ten for what ever reason.Please post here if you have had that experience(venting is allowed.)
I have been swimming Masters since 1974 and my USMS experiences have been overwhelmingly positive and I want to thank all the officials and organizers.None the less accidents happen and I lost top ten swims(one a zone record) at 2 different meets when pool measurements showed the pool was short(once after a remodeling,which lead to the USMS measurement rule,and once when the bulk head slipped.In both cases the pool was 1 cm short.)I had another meet where the results were not reported,but thanks to diligent work from our Top Ten chair(thank you Mary Sweat)the results were recovered.
So who else has lost results.
As a meet director, I need a system to keep track of split requests and instructions on how to show them in the results. When some one hands me a split request and I am dealing with other issues and trying to swim in the meet, I have a great fear of forgetting to follow through. Also, without your help on how to include splits requests in the results, I would have been lost when I prepared the final results for submission.
It seems like there are two (connected) issues: keeping track of split requests and submitting them. Usually the MD just tracks them and gives me the list, and (as Julie mentioned in her post) I take care of them by adding them as new events in the MM file, which I then submit to the Meet Results Database and use to prepare my TT submission. But in the recent meet you had to do it b/c you used the latest version of Meet Manager and I couldn't read the file.
It does bring up a larger issue: who should control meet submissions, the meet directors or the TT Recorders? Or does it matter? I can see arguments on either side.
On the one hand, it is nice to have TT Recorders do it since there are fewer people involved and (maybe?) less chance of errors. Once the TT Recorder knows how to submit the splits, s/he can then do it for all meets, without having to teach all MDs how to do it. The newer web-based tools (part of E2EEM) involve a little bit of a learning curve too, and -- again -- it is easier to train a few people rather than a lot of people.
But in a large LMSC with many meets, the TT Recorder might get overwhelmed.
Also just as (another) public service announcement for all those puzzled by split requests:
-- splits and relay leadoffs are NOT automatically submitted to TT (except at nationals, sometimes; always good to check).
-- splits for backstroke must be made before the race. Reason: the S&T judge must verify that you finish the split legally (with a hand touch, not a flipturn).
-- splits for relay leadoffs must be made before the race. I believe the reason is so that the S&T judge can verify that an "in water" start wasn't used by the 2nd relay person; that can falsely trigger the touchpad and ruin the split.
-- all other split requests can be made at any time during the meet, even after the swim. The reason is that all splits other than the ones given earlier are legal swims, assuming the automatic timing system was working properly. We need the split requests themselves because processing them is not automatic, it requires a little bit of extra work (such as described above).
As a meet director, I need a system to keep track of split requests and instructions on how to show them in the results. When some one hands me a split request and I am dealing with other issues and trying to swim in the meet, I have a great fear of forgetting to follow through. Also, without your help on how to include splits requests in the results, I would have been lost when I prepared the final results for submission.
It seems like there are two (connected) issues: keeping track of split requests and submitting them. Usually the MD just tracks them and gives me the list, and (as Julie mentioned in her post) I take care of them by adding them as new events in the MM file, which I then submit to the Meet Results Database and use to prepare my TT submission. But in the recent meet you had to do it b/c you used the latest version of Meet Manager and I couldn't read the file.
It does bring up a larger issue: who should control meet submissions, the meet directors or the TT Recorders? Or does it matter? I can see arguments on either side.
On the one hand, it is nice to have TT Recorders do it since there are fewer people involved and (maybe?) less chance of errors. Once the TT Recorder knows how to submit the splits, s/he can then do it for all meets, without having to teach all MDs how to do it. The newer web-based tools (part of E2EEM) involve a little bit of a learning curve too, and -- again -- it is easier to train a few people rather than a lot of people.
But in a large LMSC with many meets, the TT Recorder might get overwhelmed.
Also just as (another) public service announcement for all those puzzled by split requests:
-- splits and relay leadoffs are NOT automatically submitted to TT (except at nationals, sometimes; always good to check).
-- splits for backstroke must be made before the race. Reason: the S&T judge must verify that you finish the split legally (with a hand touch, not a flipturn).
-- splits for relay leadoffs must be made before the race. I believe the reason is so that the S&T judge can verify that an "in water" start wasn't used by the 2nd relay person; that can falsely trigger the touchpad and ruin the split.
-- all other split requests can be made at any time during the meet, even after the swim. The reason is that all splits other than the ones given earlier are legal swims, assuming the automatic timing system was working properly. We need the split requests themselves because processing them is not automatic, it requires a little bit of extra work (such as described above).
