I was just wondering, how many of you typically enter the maximum number of events that you can? I always do. One of our new coaches wants us to try and focus more on our "stronger events" and skip the other events. I usually like to see how well I might do in a event I haven't done in awhile.
I'm not surprised that Patrick can do a 200 fly and then 100 back with 10 min. rest- he's used and developed his slow twitch fibers for years. It's pure physiology, plain and simple. Not . . . "not enough rest whinning" :)
Eh, I bet he just doesn't kick. :) He did say "languid."
I could do it again; I lived. But that 100 back was not my finest racing minute-and-change. In fact, the only thing that made it a race at all was that my closest competitor in the 100 back had also just done the 200 fly. We both laughed afterwards in the warmdown pool about how numb our legs felt during the whole backstroke race.
I thought about going to Atlanta but chose to go to Charlotte instead. It is closer to home. Signed up for 4 events instead of the max(5).
I thought about Charlotte, but for me, Atlanta is closer. Plus, Atlanta is SCM. I want to swim SCM a few more times.
Geek...next year, get the Holiday meet to be SCM. Then we will race a 100. You go free...I go back.
I'd argue that this statement should read: "We THINK we need more rest..."
AMEN!! I'd also argue that most of this rest between events crap is all in your mind. I will not disagree that most of us have X many meets of experience of not doing well with limited rest, and yes, swimming 4-5 events in a day/2 days in a row is taxing. But it works both ways. If any of you read Fort's posts and blog, we all know she in particular has plenty of examples of dissatisfying swims coming in 1 or 2 event per-day meets.
Nice try, Muppet.
I only swim 1 event per day in USA meets, typically swimming off events like the 200 back or 100 fly. I was perfectly happy with my times this summer swimming this way; they were PBs.
At masters meets, I tend to swim 3 events per day unless it's a relay meet. But 2 is good as well. I'm not alone in thinking that it is optimal to swim 2-3 events per day. I've heard Wally and Jeff make the same statement! (And I haven't been particularly "dissatisfied" with my times over the last year. To the contrary.)
As for "it's all in your mind," I disagree for four reasons. #1 Real experience: At Zones this year, when I stepped up to swim my 5th or 6th event of the day (a relay) on short rest, I was exhausted to the bone and swam the slowest 50 free of my masters career, over 2 seconds off my PB. # Mental: I agree with Chris. At a taper meet, it takes some mental energy to get really "up" for an event. Fatigue gets in the way of that. #3 Qbrain's point: I don't train for lactate tolerance; thus, I don't recover as quickly as you short rest 6000 yard practice geeks. :-P #4 I'm old. I don't have the superpowers of you 20 somethings. Bottom line for me: More rest = faster swimming.
Chris, I suspect you recover more quickly from a 200 fly than I do from a 100 fly ... A 200 back kills the rest of the day for me. We fast twitchers are just different!
I will have to disagree on the rest issue. It seems obvious to me that sprinters and mid-distance/ distance types will differ in the amount of time needed to recover from events due to the different amounts of slow-twitch and fast-twitch muscle fibers for each, as well as the amount of training done.
Plus, it's not helpful to tell someone that based on your experience, how much rest is required should be the same for everyone. I'm sure that Fort has an idea of how much rest she needs, and it's based on her experience. I doubt she would then dispute what works best for you if it is not the same as hers.
For me, I do need more rest than some may need to compete at my best, but it is linear with regards to the distance, so more rest needed after a 200 than after a 50.
We need more rest to swim at our best.
I'd argue that this statement should read: "We THINK we need more rest..."
My maxim on this: there's ALWAYS enough time between events. Come on, Masters Studs and Studesses (Studettes?) ... we go back to back crap in workout all day long ... enter the events you want to swim regardless of how much rest you'll actually get.
AMEN!! I'd also argue that most of this rest between events crap is all in your mind. I will not disagree that most of us have X many meets of experience of not doing well with limited rest, and yes, swimming 4-5 events in a day/2 days in a row is taxing. But it works both ways. If any of you read Fort's posts and blog, we all know she in particular has plenty of examples of dissatisfying swims coming in 1 or 2 event per-day meets.
Back to why I posted... It's all in your mind! If you want to be successful at something, you can NOT let something small like get in your way. Walk into a meet - and up to the blocks - with confidence. Sign up for your meet, set a realistic goal and tell yourself, your coach and anyone who will listen "I am going to go ___ time." Then get out there and git 'r done!
If you don't enter the maximum number of events for the meet, how can you win the age-group high point award?
after your standard 300/400 warmdown (10 minutes?) and optional towel off, what else do you need between events?
...says the man who apparently has never tried to race a 100 back 30 min. after a 200 fly. I will not try that again.
I get edgy & antsy sitting on the sidelines ... after your standard 300/400 warmdown (10 minutes?) and optional towel off, what else do you need between events?
Massage? Oxygen? Full muscle transplant?
Damn distance swimmers...:bolt:
I am mostly joking. Sort of. I chuckled at Forts comment that sprinters need longer to recover from their super-tough 50s than mid-D and distance types need from their easeir events, such as the 2-fly or the 400 IM. I am still not quite sure if she was kidding.
If you don't train in a manner than improves your lactic tolerance and your lactic clearance, wouldn't you need more time to recover, and perform rather poorly if you didn't have that time?
Plus, it's not helpful to tell someone that based on your experience, how much rest is required should be the same for everyone. I'm sure that Fort has an idea of how much rest she needs, and it's based on her experience. I doubt she would then dispute what works best for you if it is not the same as hers.
It would be helpful if A) the person asked for advice and B) the adviser had a similar training background as the advised.
That said, I think pwbrundage and Muppet's posts were meant to be more of a motivational nature than scientific. And they like pain.
Plus, lactate tolerance training is generally counter-productive for me or other sprinters.
Unless the sprinter in question is only interested in 50s and doesn't care about improving his/her ability to recover from races, I disagree with that statement.
My statement is probably worth the paper it is printed on...but Maglischo lists lactate tolerance as one of the three types of training for sprinters (I don't have the book here at work, I think it was Sp-1).
It may not be important for 50s (although maybe a little in LCM 50s), but for 100s you definitely need some. Ask Paul Wolf about his 100 fly at Clovis -- or better yet, look up the video -- a fine example of lactate INtolerance! :)
