My great friend, the charming ignoramus Leslie "the Fortess" Livingston, and I recently had the opportunity to bandy about a debate topic in the November issue of Swimmer magazine.
Leslie has asked me to create a poll to see which of us had the more persuasive arguments vis a vis the usefulness of weight lifting to behoove swimming performance.
I tried to talk Leslie out of such a poll, because I wasn't sure her delicate albeit manly temperament could take the likely beat down she would get, vote wise.
After all, her teenage daughter had already proclaimed, in uncertain terms, that she was best off pleading Nolo contendere here (see en.wikipedia.org/.../Nolo_contendere if your legal skills are as atrophied as Leslie's). In her daughter's own words, "He totally owned you, Mom! Like totally! It was so awesome! He's so totally funny, and you are so totally uptight, Mom! I mean, it was like so totally embarrassing how much he owned you! Please tell me I'm adopted! Please tell me Jim Thornton is my real mother!"
Unfortunately, this kind of advanced rhetorical argument on my part fell on deaf ears, just as my advanced rhetorical argument--in which actual studies were cited!--also fell on deaf ears. Evidently, the dear girl has overdone the neck thickening machine, and in the process, mastoid muscle processes seem to have overgrown her ear canals!
I know that not everyone has received their copy of Swimmer yet. Rumor has it that those of us who live in the higher class zip codes get the extra virgin pressed copies, with the rest of you having to wait to the ink starts getting stale.
You will get your copies one day, I assure you! Just as you will get your H1N1 swine flu vaccines dosages when me and my friends at Goldman have had our third inoculations!
But I am getting a bit off the track here.
If you've read our Inane Point (Leslie) - Brilliant Counterpoint (Jim) *** for tat debate, Leslie asks that you vote in this poll for the person you think was RHETORICALLY superior.
Note: this does not mean which of us was right.
Hell, I have already conceded Leslie was right, and have begun weight lifting myself thrice weekly!
I am one bulked up monstrosity of a girly man at this point, and I don't plan to stop till you can bounce quarters off my moobs.
So. Forget all aspects of actual rational correctness here, and certainly forget all aspects of who is more popular.
And vote with your pitiless inner rhetoritician calling the shots.
Leslie, I warned you: Nolo contendere was the smart plea. But no, you just wouldn't hear of it!
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No, you are not lifting weights when you swim through water, you are swimming through water. Your argument is akin to saying walking is the same thing as lifting weights, since you are over coming air resistance and gravity.
Air resistance and gravity can't hold a candle to water resistance. It's like comparing the speed of light to one of our rockets.
As for the necessity stuff... well, when people tell me I'm not serious because I don't lift, well, that's why I tend to bring up points like how I know my muscle mass has increased since I started swimming (and I haven't lifted a single weight) and the photo of Phelps' thighs. I brought up the point about the photo because I detect an undercurrent of necessity-based thinking and when a user comes along and agrees with my mailman that I'm not serious when I know I'm serious, it confirms my suspicions.
edit: btw, I actually voted Leslie on the poll, but there are points that Jim raises here in the thread that I agree very strongly with and I was referring to those in my previous post. Should've made a distinction earlier, instead of saying "the subject", lol.
No, you are not lifting weights when you swim through water, you are swimming through water. Your argument is akin to saying walking is the same thing as lifting weights, since you are over coming air resistance and gravity.
Air resistance and gravity can't hold a candle to water resistance. It's like comparing the speed of light to one of our rockets.
As for the necessity stuff... well, when people tell me I'm not serious because I don't lift, well, that's why I tend to bring up points like how I know my muscle mass has increased since I started swimming (and I haven't lifted a single weight) and the photo of Phelps' thighs. I brought up the point about the photo because I detect an undercurrent of necessity-based thinking and when a user comes along and agrees with my mailman that I'm not serious when I know I'm serious, it confirms my suspicions.
edit: btw, I actually voted Leslie on the poll, but there are points that Jim raises here in the thread that I agree very strongly with and I was referring to those in my previous post. Should've made a distinction earlier, instead of saying "the subject", lol.
