Training for the 1500/1650: Suggestions?

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So I have decided to focus on the 1500/1650, partly because I seem to have misplaced the three fast twitch fibers I once owned, and partly because guys named Smith are now swimming the 500 and even the 1000. Geek suggested that I build my endurance with dryland work, but unlike him I have a job and limited time to train, and I don't really want to give up pool time. Any suggestions?
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  • My mistake. Sorry Maglischo. I agree En-3 can be mile race pace. I do not think En-3 can be race pace for middle distance or sprints. In general, En-3 cannot be defined as race pace. Now that I know who was really behind the confusion, I am not surprised :) Now that I'm home and have more time to look again at Maglischo -- hereafter referred to as the bible -- here is some more. He defines 3 additional levels of (sprint) training: Sp-1: Lactate tolerance Sp-2: Lactate production Sp-3: Power training The following are all examples of lactate tolerance sets: Long intervals: 6 x 100 on 7 min or 3 x 200 on 10 min Medium intervals: 12 x 50 on 1 min, 8 x 100 on 2 min, 6 x 200 on 3-4 min Short rest: 3 sets of 4 x 50 with 10-15 sec rest He also specifically discusses "race pace training" as a separate category, saying that repeat distances will need to be 1/2 to 1/4 of race distance for events 200yd or less, and 1/4 to 1/16 of race for distance swimmers. "For middle distance and distance swimmers, race-pace training will produce the same adaptations as overload endurance training (En-3). When sprinters engage in race-pace training, the adaptations are more like those produced by lactate tolerance training (Sp-1)." Despite the overlap, he likes to have race-pace as a separate category because it: (1) "more closely simulates actual metabolic conditions of competition" (2) improves a swimmers' sense of pace (3) "helps swimmers discover the best combination of stroke length and rate for swimming at those speeds." Of course, the converse is true, too: the physiological adaptations that are produced by race-pace training can also be achieved by swimming slower than race pace as long as LA levels are high enough (ie in En-3 or Sp-1 training). I'm not trying to devalue race-pace training; the benefits Maglischo cites are very real. However, I have heard too many people dismiss or downplay the value of a set like 8 x 100 on 2 min simply because you cannot quite achieve race pace in it.
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  • My mistake. Sorry Maglischo. I agree En-3 can be mile race pace. I do not think En-3 can be race pace for middle distance or sprints. In general, En-3 cannot be defined as race pace. Now that I know who was really behind the confusion, I am not surprised :) Now that I'm home and have more time to look again at Maglischo -- hereafter referred to as the bible -- here is some more. He defines 3 additional levels of (sprint) training: Sp-1: Lactate tolerance Sp-2: Lactate production Sp-3: Power training The following are all examples of lactate tolerance sets: Long intervals: 6 x 100 on 7 min or 3 x 200 on 10 min Medium intervals: 12 x 50 on 1 min, 8 x 100 on 2 min, 6 x 200 on 3-4 min Short rest: 3 sets of 4 x 50 with 10-15 sec rest He also specifically discusses "race pace training" as a separate category, saying that repeat distances will need to be 1/2 to 1/4 of race distance for events 200yd or less, and 1/4 to 1/16 of race for distance swimmers. "For middle distance and distance swimmers, race-pace training will produce the same adaptations as overload endurance training (En-3). When sprinters engage in race-pace training, the adaptations are more like those produced by lactate tolerance training (Sp-1)." Despite the overlap, he likes to have race-pace as a separate category because it: (1) "more closely simulates actual metabolic conditions of competition" (2) improves a swimmers' sense of pace (3) "helps swimmers discover the best combination of stroke length and rate for swimming at those speeds." Of course, the converse is true, too: the physiological adaptations that are produced by race-pace training can also be achieved by swimming slower than race pace as long as LA levels are high enough (ie in En-3 or Sp-1 training). I'm not trying to devalue race-pace training; the benefits Maglischo cites are very real. However, I have heard too many people dismiss or downplay the value of a set like 8 x 100 on 2 min simply because you cannot quite achieve race pace in it.
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