FINA says Dubai Charter doesn't apply to Masters

I have always had a beef about the high cost of the suit. I was told that this is America, we buy what we want. It was also bandied about how 500 smackaroos for a suit is chicken feed compared to other sports. If the suit is legal I can sort-of understand the above arguments. Now it appears that the suit is not legal, according to FINA. Unlike your worthlesss suit, your argument about the cost holds no water. Or should I say air.

IIf the suit is legal I can sort-of understand the above arguments. Now it appears that the suit is not legal, according to FINA. Unlike your worthlesss suit, your argument about the cost holds no water. Or should I say air. For masters, it will appear the suit(s) are legal for the time being, from what is being reported from FINA As for your second statement, that's your opinion about cost and worth.

This situation is worse than no rule.Right NOW it appears that FINA will accept USMS WRs but LCM season is just starting and then we have SCM before 1/1/10.There will be lots of WR times broken by USMS swimmers in that time but will they be WRs.Come on FINA rule committee,pull your head out and say something DEFINITIVE about Masters(and no I don't take comfort in the USMS position as FINA could rule in any arbitrary way their little peabrains tell them to.)

This situation is worse than no rule.Right NOW it appears that FINA will accept USMS WRs but LCM season is just starting and then we have SCM before 1/1/10.There will be lots of WR times broken by USMS swimmers in that time but will they be WRs.Come on FINA rule committee,pull your head out and say something DEFINITIVE about Masters(and no I don't take comfort in the USMS position as FINA could rule in any arbitrary way their little peabrains tell them to.) :) Platform for nomination to FINA board. I'm curious: is FINA one of those self-constituted entities without an actual mandate? (Like the Joint Commission, for those in hospitals or the medical field - two guys started giving out stars to hospitals back in the fifties, and the rest is history.)

Except possibly for WRs: "There are still issues regarding FINA Masters world record ratification as it pertains to types of suits worn." What will they do with the WRs already set this year in non-FINA approved suits?

I don't see how they can not allow masters WR's, swum in the new tech suits. Since the suits are legal for competition, the WR's set in them should also be legal. The Canadians:canada: swam their SCM National Championship in them and they are legal in German Masters competition. If USMS doesn't allow them we will actually be at a competitive disadvantage. I think the problem with WR's will be that some WR's set in "flotation suits" for lack of better terminology, are artificially fast and might not be broken for a decade or more when we transition back to regular tech suits. So it's possible that we won't see more than a few WR performances in swimming in the next decade.

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I am curious about the relative sizes of the USAS and USMS markets. Everyone is assuming that the masters market is tiny in comparison...but I tell you, when I go to just run-of-the-mill meets, tech suits are MUCH more in evidence at masters meets than at age-group meets. Obviously there are far more age-groupers than masters, but I wonder if the masters market is really as small as people are assuming. Old, fat people with disposable incomes, desperate to recapture glory days...sounds like a winner! :)

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But, seriously, folks how can a FINA commissioner say the Charter on suits doesn't apply to master's but the organization then be hesitant about accepting master's records? Well, he's a "Press Commission" guy, who may or may not also be a rule-making guy. Certainly I have observed other types of "press secretaries" getting it wrong, or maybe getting it right at the time but then their decision-making bosses go and change the decision on them. I seriously wonder whether FINA has any lawyers at all. Nothing in any of the (apparently) duly-adopted rules I have seen suggests that the rules on swimwear would apply differently to Masters than to non-Masters.