USA Swimming proposes rule limiting suits

I can't speak for all competitive swimmers like Dolphin 2 can, but back in the 1970s all the competitive swimmers I swam with weared Speedos at workouts and meets only and weared trunks and board shorts to the regular pool or beach. Hey Aquageek Up until the past 10 years (before the tabloid media started making an issue of men wearing Speedos), here in California practically all guys were wearing briefs or "trunks" (plain gym shorts) on the deck at public pools, pools in apartment complexes, and on the beaches too. And these days, about 1/2 the guys that I see during my fitness swimming sessions at a public pool use briefs exclusively too. I have never had the experience of anyone making fun of me (or anyone else who is wearing them) either. :blush: We Californians have a lot more important things on our mind than silly stuff like whether it's proper for guys to be wearing Speedos at pools and waterparks. Dolphin 2

I think it is easy to get derailed by needing to respond to Dolphin 2s lack of information instead of the topic.I don't think anyone should be banned from the forum for ignorance,but sometimes I think it is best to just ignore someone rather than rise to the bait.My favorite saying,which has stood me well in many situations,is"Don't wrestle with pigs,you just get dirty and the pigs love it." By the way,I don't mind using my real name on this forum. You have a stronger will than I Allen! I...cannot...help...myself!!! Up until the past 10 years (before the tabloid media started making an issue of men wearing Speedos), here in California practically all guys were wearing briefs or "trunks" (plain gym shorts) on the deck at public pools, pools in apartment complexes, and on the beaches too. So, admittedly, I only lived in California for a relatively short time - 1990 through 1996, but those six years were spent on and around the beaches of Southern California (and a couple of apartment complex swimming pools), but the only people I ever saw wearing Speedos at the beach were European tourists and tubby old guys with too much gold jewelry and a good tan! I would say that most of the male beach going population weared board shorts! Okay, I got that out of my system! Hey Leslie, you know you want to try out two B70s!

You must remember o geekness, dolpin knows everything about everything, so us mere mortals only know things by actual experience because we have had to get out and due things by first hand accounts, where dolphin has been able to spend hours on a computer reading about something he hasn't tried to do. Hey Thewookiee Responding to your rather sarcastic comment, I haven't acquired my knowledge "everything about everything" by just reading articles on a computer and just "rote" recitation of someone else's ideas on a message board. I have given public lectures without the need for notes so I am not some kind of imposter that is magically pulling rabbits out of a hat. In fact if I gave out my real name, you could Google it and view my bona-fide credentials. Furthermore it is not necessarry for anyone to actually be a competitive swimmer (or even swim at all) to have the knowledge that buying a tech suit and using it to enhance performance is not an athletic skill. I'm sorry that my criticism of tech suits has gotten all you hard core competitive swimmers in such a tizzy. But you leave yourselves wide open by being so hostile to people who disagree with you. :argue: As the old sayings go "It's nothin' to get mad about" and "Don't get your undies in a bundle". :bitching: Dolphin 2

I imagine USMS will follow USA-S' lead on this. But in case anyone is listening, I would argue that "modesty" suits should be allowed under tech suits. The NCAA rule prohibiting them is silly, IMO. What? I give you a non-wiggly, non-lawyer answer and this is all I get? lol What say you? TJ: No, really, B140 or B210 sounds dreadful to me. I have only recently gotten used to getting the one on. I'm not a patient person. (No surprise, I know.)

Hey Thewookiee Responding to your rather sarcastic comment, I I'm sorry that my criticism of tech suits has gotten all you hard core competitive swimmers in such a tizzy. But you leave yourselves wide open by being so hostile to people who disagree with you. Dolphin 2 If you think that is sarcastic...you ain't seen nothing yet. If you notice, people that are hardcore swimmers have disagreed on the suits on this forum and on this thread. But these swimmers actually know something about the tech suits through experience...something you don't. If you didn't come across as foolish in your statements and presented actual proof to back-up your opinions, then people wouldn't treat you as they do. But, you have no first hand knowledge of the suits. Very little knowledge of swimming and you make stupid statements about swimming as a sport, about the tech suits. Heck, you even jump onto people about how they raise their kids, when you haven't even tried doing that yourself. No one has problems with people that disagreeing with them. But when a person continues to make stupid, uneducated comments about the sport, about tech suits, etc., they are going to get a deserved harsh response. No one ever said buying a tech suit is an athletic skill. But knowing how to swim is and how to swim fast with a tech suit or brief is a higher skill.

I wish people hadn't exploited a loophole in the rules with this 2-3 suit phenomenon. This is making the furor much worse. I've heard from several people that the swimmers in Europe breaking all the records are clad in three suits. I love tech suits, but I find this ridiculous.

So do I. If one suit doesn't float how do three suits float? I may be wrong, but I think that wearing multiple suits traps air between the layers and in the fabric itself which aids buoyancy.

The whole point is wet suits are not to be worn in warm water. They are only supposed to be used in cold water for safety. If they wanted the swimmers to swim faster they would allow wetsuits at any temperature. That's such bologna, and stale rotten bologna at that. The threshold temp for wet suits in tris is 76 degrees. I can possibly understand such a ridiculously warm threshold on half and full IM distances but for sprints and olympic distances, c'mon. How flippin cold are you gonna get in a 750 meter swim in 75 degree water? Wetsuits at temps over about 66 are simply a crutch and a way for tris to lessen the panic factor with swimming that so many experience, there is no other explanation. Calling it for safety reasons is ludicrous.

Dolphin 2 - What exactly is this "tabloid media" you describe? When I was in high school in the 70s there was no tabloid media that highlighted boys wearing Speedos. I assume the Enquirer existed then but it was concerned with Hollywood people or aliens. I trained and raced in my Speedo without much concern when I was in high school. No such thing as jammers. But I know some guys were more self conscious. Lycra was rare then too.

Last summer some guy weared a Speedo to the local waterpark, and my daughter throwed up. Ande, I only have two tech suits; can I still swim at UT on Friday?