Looking at the 4x50 Free and Medley World Records for 120-159 and 160-199. I just don't like seeing teams from Finland, Italy and Canada holding records in those age-groups - so who is coming to Long Beach and interested in swimming a relay ?
Time + Age requirements:
Free for the 120-159 avg = 23.58 (that's fast)
Free for the 160-199 avg = 24.0 + we need the right ages
*** / Back and Fly - records are 1:44 and 1:46 - also very fast, looking for *** around 30-31 (at least) - Back 26-27 and Fly 25+
By the way - these are not yard times - :)
If you are interested reply here or send me a PM + START SWIMMING UNATTACHED until we figure what team we can do this under.
We have 2 people right now - so we need at least 2 more
Am I the only one that has a problem with this thread? This reminds me of the old Holmes Lumber Team from the 80's. Recruit to break records! I am a member of a current WR relay team where all 4 members swim together on the same team and have for more then 10 years. That is a true World Record relay TEAM. We are teammates.
If you proceed with this type of recruitment I hope you are very content with the hollow victory. While it may meet the letter of what is allowed, in my mind, it doesn’t meet the spirit of masters swimming.
"Soft" World Record? A 'World Record' means no team has ever gone faster in the history of Master's Swimming. What exactly is your definition of "soft"? That is insulting to anyone that may have a record that doesn't meet your standards.
"Soft" World Record? A 'World Record' means no team has ever gone faster in the history of Master's Swimming. What exactly is your definition of "soft"? That is insulting to anyone that may have a record that doesn't meet your standards.
Most SCM records because we do not host a national championship on that course in the US.
I would also say the 400 medley/free relays and the 800 free relay(s) which again are not contested at our nationals (until next yea in Indy, nice work Mel!)
Charge...so what's the question about CMS (formally RMM)?
One more point on this subject. I would love see USMS try and work with FINA to change the rules regarding national teams for world championships. I think it would be far more interesting to see USA vs Australia, Italy, etc. than the current club vs. club format.
I would also like to know why we wouldn't consider US Open, National and World record designations...sorry but it seems strange to me that foreign nationals can hold our national records....I would also suggest that switching countries a KPN did when she competed for France shouldn't be allowed..but given the nature of how the Olympics ae run these days and citizenships passed around like playing cards I guess its a mute point.
One more point on this subject. I would love see USMS try and work with FINA to change the rules regarding national teams for world championships. I think it would be far more interesting to see USA vs Australia, Italy, etc. than the current club vs. club format.
I would also like to know why we wouldn't consider US Open, National and World record designations...sorry but it seems strange to me that foreign nationals can hold our national records....I would also suggest that switching countries a KPN did when she competed for France shouldn't be allowed..but given the nature of how the Olympics ae run these days and citizenships passed around like playing cards I guess its a mute point.
I'd like to have real club teams vie for and hold national, state or zone records, rather than recruited makeshift "club teams" comprised of hop scotching, shoulder slapping middle age boys re-living their past glory college drinking days. :thhbbb:
I'd like to preclude the KPN type team switching at international competitions (unless someone genuinely has dual citizenshiop).
Theoretically, I'd like to compete as national teams, not club teams, at international competitions like Worlds. However, the national superteams would end up with all the national records much like the recruited "teams."
I don't think non-US citizens should hold USMS records.
I don't know what to do with Pacific Masters. They're a huge monopoly. I think we need antitrust laws for them.
I think we just went through this exercise with Pacific Masters. Let's take the fastest PMS swimmers and put them on relays at nationals. There go all the records. There seemed to be some resistance to that approach. What makes this any different?
One more point on this subject. I would love see USMS try and work with FINA to change the rules regarding national teams for world championships. I think it would be far more interesting to see USA vs Australia, Italy, etc. than the current club vs. club format.
Kinda fits in as part of the debate of local team versus regional team versus an entire nation. Pretty soon it'll be big nation versus small nation or some such stuff.;)
...and when we pull together our true "world" team we'll kick Mars and Venus' ass.
Yeah but look out for Jupiter, they recruited a ringer from . . . wait for it . . . Saturn! :rofl:
