Training for the 100 fly?

I'm seeking advice on training for the 100 fly. Decided to start swimming it last year. Swam it 7x on the three courses. I can only remember 3x times where I didn't suffer from complete paralysis the last 15 meters or so and worry about a DQ. Gah. So how can I fix this? I've read that you don't need to train fly in practice. I'm not sure I buy this. The muscular fatigue from fly seems unique. And I don't want to substitute freestyle training for it. What are some good sets? How many SDKs per length should I take to prevent oxygen debt? If too much fly hurts the shoulders, is kicking a decent training substitute? I also seem to swim better 100 flys on a week rest. The paralysis seems to be associated with a 2 week taper. Does aerobic fitness drop off that quickly? Is this an age thing? Or is it that I just don't train enough yards for a 2 week taper?
  • I think training for the 200 fly (especially LCM) needs longer distances than 75s, but the thread is about the 100, so... I agree. I was talking about repeats. If you're training for the 200 fly, 400 IM, etc, you should do them in practice from time to time. But I don't recommend doing repeats. I don't think I've ever repeated 200 flys, not even in college. 75 flys are generally the longest distance that I'll do sets of, so that I don't break myself down. Very rarely I might do a lactate set of 100s on a long interval.
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    I swam several 400 fly sets yesterday. That may not have been the smartest decision.
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    I agree George. I laugh when I see myself do the 200 fly. Here's my taper plan though. I'm very excited about it. I will warn you though. I will be doing the "advanced" version. www.hulu.com/.../saturday-night-live-body-fuzion
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    Former Member over 16 years ago
    My whole lifting workout is legs, pecs, and lats. I do a little bit of arms too, but it's mostly legs, chest, lats. I like that "iso-lateral lat pulldown" machine where you put the weights on the level and then pull into your chest. I think you're supposed to have your grip facing you, but I think it simulates swimming more if you use an away-facing grip. I don't know if that's not a smart thing to do, but it seems like it doesn't make a difference.
  • Why should fly be different than any other stroke? By that reasoning only middle- and long-distance swimmers should do repeats longer than 75. I'm pretty sure Dennis Baker doesn't train this way, and he's been moderately successful at the event. :) Jokes aside, generally I don't think a 200 flier should have trouble with 100 fly repeats, and should not hesitate to do them. But different strokes for different folks, I guess. :dunno: If I ever figure out how to swim long distance fly without breaking down, I'll be :bliss:all over this forum! Though while we're on the subject, I see my name there on the list of Butternuts, but yours is mysteriously missing...
  • I've done 500 yards continuous before (Friday, in fact). But, I'm afraid of butterflies, so I can't fill out the form on that site. :dunno:
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    You're going to need to post your videos when you start tapering. :) Will do - whether it be good, bad or ugly. :):)
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    I've done 500 yards continuous before (Friday, in fact). But, I'm afraid of butterflies, so I can't fill out the form on that site.
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    Ha. I don't know what it is about bugs with wings bigger than their bodies, but I just get grossed out by them.
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 16 years ago
    I guess some of us are more closely related to our prehistoric relatives. images.google.com/images