Hardy Withdrawals From Olympic Team!

I went looking for any claim by Hardy or her lawyer that she blaimed supplements and the above was all I could find. You seemed to have missed this part in the article you provided the link to? "There are indications Hardy may finger a tainted nutritional supplement and, possibly, pursue legal action against the company that provided it. Hardy endorses AdvoCare, a supplement company based in Texas, and once said she regularly took a dozen of its products."

You continue to ASSUME that she CHOSE to break the rules. Seriously, do you think anyone that graduated kgarten will fall for this? It makes no difference her intent, for the millionth time. That is made clear to the athletes up front. She did choose to either take a banned item directly or chose to take something that included this banned item. Either way, she made the decision to put something in her body. Is she somehow immune from the other 6 billion people on earth to be responsible for what they eat? You keep talking about some process that will magically erase the fact that she was on dope at Trials and has not once disputed her test results. Please tell us all why she is not responsible for her own actions? The number of excuses you are trotting out to help her explain her dope results makes my head spin. I just say when she peed in a cup and it had PEDs in it that the case was pretty much closed, a fact made apparent to all test athletes as well up front for many many many years.

You seemed to have missed this part in the article you provided the link to? "There are indications Hardy may finger a tainted nutritional supplement and, possibly, pursue legal action against the company that provided it. Hardy endorses AdvoCare, a supplement company based in Texas, and once said she regularly took a dozen of its products." Advocare has issued a statement saying its products are not contaminated as was insinuated. I think Ms. Hardy should tread carefully or she will be facing a counterclaim. I asked before, are clenbuterol and Advocare even manufactured in the same plant? If Advocare doesn't manufacture clenbuterol, how would it get into their products anyway? A contaminated ingredient?

I asked before, are clenbuterol and Advocare even manufactured in the same plant? If Advocare doesn't manufacture clenbuterol, how would it get into their products anyway? A contaminated ingredient? George & Lindsay have it on good authority (a Canadian Palm Reader) that Tanya Harding snuck the Clen into one of the 2000 different supplements JH was taking.

Lindsey - please explain to me how she is not responsible for the substances she puts in her body but every other swimmer (thus far) is responsible. Did she get some sort of lying doping cheating free pass card? Why don't you first take note of these two facts - first, she has not disputed the results, second, she has acknowledged taking at least 12 supplements. Let me ask you this, would it really make any difference at all if her supplements had clen or any other banned substances since for probably a decade she has been made aware probably dozens of time that they are unregulated and should be avoided? To me, it's another smoke screen and irrelevant but you keep on barking up that tree.

Take it from Daniel, he knows what he spouts about.

Paul, I will have to wait until I hear their explanation before I can make a judgment on whether it is nonsense. As far as I know they are not blaming it on supplements. Kicker was a member of the national team wasn't he? Do you believe he deliberately set out to cheat by taking the supplements? Hopefully his case was enough to hammer it home for subsequent swimmers but is it the case that no swimmers are taking supplements these days? We know that some swimmers on the current Olympic team are taking supplements (E.g. Dara is very open about it, Larsen endorsed the same supplements that JH did). How does a swimmer know? Are all the swimmers that are taking any supplements idiots? Because I think it is very unlikely that her supplements are contaminated with Clenbuteral I assume that she will come up with some other explanation. Rick was a member of the Olympic team. Do you believe he deliberately set out to cheat? Given that he duly reported the drug he was taking to USOC it seems unlikely. Silken Laumann was a member of the Canadian national team. She took the precaution of consulting with the team doctor to see if the cold med she wanted to take was ok and was told it was. Does the fact that he was wrong make her a lying cheater? Given three examples of people that I would judge did not set out to cheat but tested positive none the less I think there is room for doubt, no matter how slim, that JH deliberately set out to cheat. To me taking supplements when a lot of other people are taking supplements is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. To me having an incompetent USOC medical official who doesn't perform the proper paperwork is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. To me having an incompetent team doctor that confuses the allergy and non-allergy formulations of a decongestant is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. So I will continue to draw a distinction between having had a positive test and being a deliberate cheater, even if the vast majority of people with positive tests are deliberate cheaters, and I'll trust in the system to see through any nonsense that is thrown out. I'll give JH a little bit of time to come up with a plausible if not provable explanation before I assume she falls into the deliberate cheater category. Paul, Geek won't address any of my points, will you? Add on: Paul, when you state categorically that she took supplements with Clen in them are you lumping in Clen as a drug that can be taken in pure form with supplements? Perhaps that is where things are getting confused, when I see the term supplements I am not thinking of straight forward drugs of the banned sort. The government makes a distinction between drugs and supplements and I don't think you can sell drugs just by calling them supplements so the distinction isn't purely mine.

This is the publication that USA Swimming provides to coaches and swimmers: "Dietary Supplements: A Comprehensive Guide for Swim Coaches" www.usaswimming.org/.../Dietary Supplements Guide 05 Dec 15.pdf It contains 37 pages of very clear language about the risks of taking supplements. Pages 10-13 contain an interview with Kicker Vencill. Page 9 contains an interesting risk chart. ----------- Disclaimer: The tomato pictured in the avatar contains no PEDs.

“Suffice it to say, we took this course of action because we do believe there is an explanation for the positive and that she didn't knowingly or intentionally take clenbuterol,” Howard Jacobs, her attorney, said by phone late last night. Jacobs would not elaborate other than to say: “I have a pretty good idea where it came from.” www.signonsandiego.com/.../20080803-9999-7s3olynotes.html I went looking for any claim by Hardy or her lawyer that she blaimed supplements and the above was all I could find. Paul, you have a valid point that I might be doing a disservice to Rick and Silken by associating them with this case, especially given some of the guilt by association tendencies here. You should note however that I haven't equated what they did with what she may or may not have done, I just used them as examples to demonstrate that a positive test doesn't indicate a deliberate attempt at cheating 100% of the time. It would be interesting to know if, having had people point fingers at them as being cheaters, they would advocate for letting the process conclude before making assumptions, I wouldn't be surprised. At this point Salo, and various message board posters and bloggers are the only one's I've seen link her test to supplements, so we'll have to wait to see if that is the tack she takes and whether she has any hard evidence. Until then, anyone assuming the Clen came from supplements is doing just that, assuming.

Does anyone remember what suit Hardy, Kirk and Jackson wore at trials? Who who was wearing a LZR, one of those TYR suits or a B70? No one has mentioned that piece of it. Since MS was such a gung-ho LZR dude, and (one of) the replacement girls were TYR swimmers, I wonder if that had anything to do with the lack of action. It would be a great way to get the suitmakers out of the beds of governing bodies going forward.