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    Paul, I will have to wait until I hear their explanation before I can make a judgment on whether it is nonsense. As far as I know they are not blaming it on supplements. Kicker was a member of the national team wasn't he? Do you believe he deliberately set out to cheat by taking the supplements? Hopefully his case was enough to hammer it home for subsequent swimmers but is it the case that no swimmers are taking supplements these days? We know that some swimmers on the current Olympic team are taking supplements (E.g. Dara is very open about it, Larsen endorsed the same supplements that JH did). How does a swimmer know? Are all the swimmers that are taking any supplements idiots? Because I think it is very unlikely that her supplements are contaminated with Clenbuteral I assume that she will come up with some other explanation. Rick was a member of the Olympic team. Do you believe he deliberately set out to cheat? Given that he duly reported the drug he was taking to USOC it seems unlikely. Silken Laumann was a member of the Canadian national team. She took the precaution of consulting with the team doctor to see if the cold med she wanted to take was ok and was told it was. Does the fact that he was wrong make her a lying cheater? Given three examples of people that I would judge did not set out to cheat but tested positive none the less I think there is room for doubt, no matter how slim, that JH deliberately set out to cheat. To me taking supplements when a lot of other people are taking supplements is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. To me having an incompetent USOC medical official who doesn't perform the proper paperwork is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. To me having an incompetent team doctor that confuses the allergy and non-allergy formulations of a decongestant is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. So I will continue to draw a distinction between having had a positive test and being a deliberate cheater, even if the vast majority of people with positive tests are deliberate cheaters, and I'll trust in the system to see through any nonsense that is thrown out. I'll give JH a little bit of time to come up with a plausible if not provable explanation before I assume she falls into the deliberate cheater category. Paul, Geek won't address any of my points, will you? Add on: Paul, when you state categorically that she took supplements with Clen in them are you lumping in Clen as a drug that can be taken in pure form with supplements? Perhaps that is where things are getting confused, when I see the term supplements I am not thinking of straight forward drugs of the banned sort. The government makes a distinction between drugs and supplements and I don't think you can sell drugs just by calling them supplements so the distinction isn't purely mine.
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    Paul, I will have to wait until I hear their explanation before I can make a judgment on whether it is nonsense. As far as I know they are not blaming it on supplements. Kicker was a member of the national team wasn't he? Do you believe he deliberately set out to cheat by taking the supplements? Hopefully his case was enough to hammer it home for subsequent swimmers but is it the case that no swimmers are taking supplements these days? We know that some swimmers on the current Olympic team are taking supplements (E.g. Dara is very open about it, Larsen endorsed the same supplements that JH did). How does a swimmer know? Are all the swimmers that are taking any supplements idiots? Because I think it is very unlikely that her supplements are contaminated with Clenbuteral I assume that she will come up with some other explanation. Rick was a member of the Olympic team. Do you believe he deliberately set out to cheat? Given that he duly reported the drug he was taking to USOC it seems unlikely. Silken Laumann was a member of the Canadian national team. She took the precaution of consulting with the team doctor to see if the cold med she wanted to take was ok and was told it was. Does the fact that he was wrong make her a lying cheater? Given three examples of people that I would judge did not set out to cheat but tested positive none the less I think there is room for doubt, no matter how slim, that JH deliberately set out to cheat. To me taking supplements when a lot of other people are taking supplements is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. To me having an incompetent USOC medical official who doesn't perform the proper paperwork is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. To me having an incompetent team doctor that confuses the allergy and non-allergy formulations of a decongestant is not good evidence of deliberate cheating. So I will continue to draw a distinction between having had a positive test and being a deliberate cheater, even if the vast majority of people with positive tests are deliberate cheaters, and I'll trust in the system to see through any nonsense that is thrown out. I'll give JH a little bit of time to come up with a plausible if not provable explanation before I assume she falls into the deliberate cheater category. Paul, Geek won't address any of my points, will you? Add on: Paul, when you state categorically that she took supplements with Clen in them are you lumping in Clen as a drug that can be taken in pure form with supplements? Perhaps that is where things are getting confused, when I see the term supplements I am not thinking of straight forward drugs of the banned sort. The government makes a distinction between drugs and supplements and I don't think you can sell drugs just by calling them supplements so the distinction isn't purely mine.
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