Lefty, your correct that not all colleges have testing programs for swimmers like Texas, U of A, Auburn, etc...but to suggest that in this day and age a collegiate swimmer isn't aware of the problems with drugs and possibilities of tainted supplements I find hard to believe....
But that was not really the association I was making...my point is if your an elite swimmer with trials cuts, let along a pro like JH and a shot at making the team then you are rolling the dice if you choose to take anything into your body and not be VERY sure about what it is.
JH was taking a huge amount of over the counter supplements...that in itself is enough for me to say she was pushing the envelope.
We agree then. You did state "NCAA swimmer" earlier, but now that you have clarified... (and) I DO agree that at best JH was sutpid for taking OTC supplements. One might even argue willfully ignorant.
Though GH Jr. was pretty poignant a few months back when he disclosed that he attempted to get supplement guidance from USSwimming and there advice was nothing more than be careful. Considering the consequences USswim should be a little more involved in this. If nothing else it would give one less crack for cheaters to attempt to hide in.
More news of doping:
sports.espn.go.com/.../story
Looks like the Ruskies are at it again. A sweet, innocent blonde American would never stoop to such lows, we know that for sure.
Since supplements are unregulated what exactly would constitute reputable?
Also, why are drug cheats busted so quickly but it takes them weeks and months to figure out what story they are gonna tell to try to get out of it?
He noted that Hardy has cooperated fully with USADA since she was informed July 21 of her positive test.
Meaning what, that she answered their phone calls?
He said investigations were trying to determine the source of the clenbuterol.
Perhaps something she...ingested?
Time to send in the Closer. Brenda (Kyra Sedgwick) can get her to talk.
If the supplements are from a reputable manufacturer that a reasonable person would expect to be clean then my personal judgment of her moral character will be less severe than if she set out to deliberately use clenbuterol.
This is where you and I disagree. Because I really don't know how we can trust anything she or her lawyer produce or say at this point. The only indisputable fact is that she failed her drug test. Give her the standard two year suspension as a first time offender and move on.
Note that I did not say that she should be burned at the stake.
Also, why are drug cheats busted so quickly but it takes them weeks and months to figure out what story they are gonna tell to try to get out of it?
Probably because they all lawyer up. And lawyers are paid by the hour.
Hey, what's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?
Probably because they all lawyer up. And lawyers are paid by the hour.
The "reputable" supplement companies are going to respond by lawyering up. They're not just going to stand by and be the scapegoat for athletes, especially if athletes routinely plan and invoke supplement contamination as their fallback excuse. I recall reading somewhere that Hammer Nutrition threatened to sue some triathletes for libel and slander when they claimed contamined Hammer products caused them to test positive.
I see regulation in the future as well.
Placing blame on a supplement company is really quite meaningless anyhow, unless there is some verifiable proof that such contamination or mislabeling actually exists.
Fort, you see regulation as in FDA oversight of what goes into these products?
I doubt FDA would regulate them as a conventional food or drug, although they probably are treated as "food." There is an FDA Office of Nutritional Products that is governed by a different set of regulations. Products must be "safe" and truthfully labelled. Any adverse effects must be reported, etc. I think they're primarily targeting dietary pills and such. But the regs could be modified or interpreted to include these athletic supplements, particularly since their use (or misuse) seems to be burgeoning.
For that matter, the FTC might one day begin to wonder about their advertising claims, if they haven't already.
I remember that suit! The specificity of the advertising claim determines the level of substantiation and whether it has to be scientific and/or a well-controlled study. The FTC will likely target other unsubstantiated OTC advertising soon too, particularly if enough consumers complain.
I assume dietary supplements must at least conform to good manufacturing practices and avoid contamination with prescription drugs or controlled substances that are more heavily regulated ...
