As for being an old fart swimming masters I have openly acknowledged trying creatine...and if you or anyone else ever has a concern about my possibly using something illegal send the tester unannounced any day, any time...I'll even pay for the test results.
Now you sound like Dara... ;)
A reposting from 2 Aug 08
"Honestly, I believe JH shook hands with someone who must have intentionally put this PED into her system---or, maybe a meteorite slammed through her hotel roof while she was soundly sleeping the night before her race--and it had the PED on it from flying through the atmosphere---and it landed next to her bed and the dust got on her--and the maid cleaned up the mess before she realized she had been infected by the meteorite---Maybe she sat on a toilet seat that someone intentionally doctored with PED powder to make sure she tested + so their swimmer could have a better chance---All are obviously plausible given the fact that no one ever knowingly takes PED.":dunno:
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That we cannot know if she really did know how to spell clenbuterol (not even sure I'm spelling it right!) before she tested positive is pretty obvious at this point. I think the problem is that you come off sounding like JH could be a victim here. And, I don't think some of us agree that she can consider herself a true victim even if she recklessly took something that was tainted. SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WENT INTO HER BODY. PERIOD. No one is claiming to be god on high--with intimate knowledge of JH's every thought or intent. But, she can't claim to be entirely innocent. She had the drug in her system. She is not an innocent victim unless it's proven that someone snuck into her hotel room the night before the event and injected her in her sleep. Then I will recant everything I've said. THAT would make her an innocent victim. Anything short of that leaves her responsible for her own actions.
Amy, I apologize if I come off as thinking she is a victim.....not intended that way at all......the only possible way that she could be a victim here is if the test was flawed.....not likely since the B sample was POS as well. And that would have been tested at a separate lab from the first....the only other possibility is the chain of custody........all I really take issue with here is the outright conviction before all the results are in.
My opinion still is.....if you admit to or knowingly cheat....LIFETIME ban. no excuses no recourse.....you're done.
Oh, puh-leeze. You mean the 'we sentence you to death, well, maybe not, we have to hear a billion appeal attempts, clemency appeals, protests, oh wait, now it's the human rights folks protesting the mental anguish aspect' silliness?
And NO punishment would be a 100% deterrent but if it deters 10%, is it worth it?
Look at Texas.....they put in a fast lane for death row.......I do believe statistics show their murder rate has dropped some.
Oh, puh-leeze. You mean the 'we sentence you to death, well, maybe not, we have to hear a billion appeal attempts, clemency appeals, protests, oh wait, now it's the human rights folks protesting the mental anguish aspect' silliness?
And NO punishment would be a 100% deterrent but if it deters 10%, is it worth it?
So you think that is the thought process that a criminal has before killing somebody? That they will lead a cushy life behind bars and evade their execution via countless appeals? Possible, but not probable.
We are obviously talking about two very different crimes and punishments here, but my point is that the perpetrators of these crimes are probably not terribly concerned about the consequences of their actions. They are interested in the here and now.
It was stated several pages earlier that NCAA level swimmers are fully aware of the risks of taking supplements. This is not what I have experienced. Most college swimmers buy their supplements at the nutrion store. That is the extent of their quality assurance. At top tier (swimming) Universities this is probably not the case, but that is the exception not the norm. I wonder if the testing is less encompassing in the NCAA?
It seems that the prevelent opinion being expressed here is that there is no such thing as an honest mistake. Lindsay must be naive or living in utopia for wanting to find out more about the circumstances before labeling JH a lieing cheat and banning her for life. But it seems to be that the true naivete being asserted here is basing a serious conviction - that noone is ever falsely labeled - on limited personal experiences.
Look at Texas.....they put in a fast lane for death row.......I do believe statistics show their murder rate has dropped some.
This assertion has no stastical basis. Murder rates have declined everywhere the past 30 years. No more or less so in Texas. If rates dropped significantly more in states that had a death penatly than this would be relelvent, but that is not remotely the case. I was born in Texas 32 years ago so we might as well attribute the drop to me.
One thing I really like about Geek is that he'll tell you the truth. He likes the death penalty because it gives victems revenge. At least he is honest (Geek if I am misattributing you I apologize).
I'll see if I can find the study I read that supports this assumption.
By the way.....my mom was a cop in So Cal on the Sheriff's Dept....She once worked at the women's jail in L.A........There were some that were so institutionalized that they would get out of jail on Mon and would be back in within a mnth because they literally KNEW that they had a better life on the inside........Look at what a lot of prisons have turned into with the PC mentality of this country.....They are glorified Country Clubs. I am specifically talking about some of the minimum security facilities.
I say reopen Alcatraz and fill it up......no TV, no Cable, no weight rooms. no Rec Rooms.....a real prison. And see how many people want to actually spend time there compared to others.
One thing is certain in Texas with respect to the murder rate dropping since they put in the fast lane to the needle---EVERYONE that got the needle--- has not killed anyone since! That is deterrent in my book---
