We don't know the intent yet, and Geek may be quite harsh in his assessment of the situation, but I think a lot of people share the general sentiment. Personally, at this point with athletics, I could care less about intent either. The rules are out there, they are professionals, and there's been enough publicity and awareness about doping that no one can claim ignorance.
It is her job now to prove that it was never her intent to dope. She and her lawyers have the task of having her supplements tested and going through the long and arduous process of clearing her name. If indeed she was the victim of a contaminated substance, then it is another valuable lesson for everyone that you must exercise utmost caution with supplements and that you are responsible for everything in your body. Apparently Kicker Vencil wasn't a big enough name, and we need another lesson to ram it home.
If she rolls over and accepts whatever punishment (ban) is handed to her with no appeals or fight, then I think it is perfectly fair for everyone to make the assumption that she has admitted she was caught. No one would let their professional career and reputation be torn to shreds if they knew they were innocent. They would fight to the bitter end. Some fight to the bitter end even when they know they are guilty, for goodness sake.
My personal opinion is that she has already made that admission of guilt by dropping the process and withdrawing from the Olympic team. It may be cynical of me, but I also believe that there are American swimmers that are cheating and one was caught. No facts to back that up, but it would strike me as odd that a nation of 300 million people wouldn't have the same issues as the other nations.
I'm tired of it, tired of the doping, tired of the excuses, the blame-game, and people not taking responsibility for their actions. Which, from what I've read, she still has not verbally taken responsibility for failing the test. We've been duped enough by athletes, and it's time we accept the fact that some of our own will attempt to get away with cheating and will be caught.
Everybody here that takes supplements is a KNOWING Cheater!!!!!!!
You heard it here first.....................
How many of the supplement takers here actually send them out to be tested? Answer.....(I am guessing) is 0
Gosh, it sure sounds like a few of us have hair in our ears---
Huh, what did you say?
I said, it sounds like a few of us have hair in our ears---
Huh, I can't hear you---
Never mind---
What more proof do you need that she cheated if two positive urine samples aren't enough?
Show me how that means she KNOWINGLY took Clen?
I have already conceded the fact that she is POS....never said she wasn't.
Show me how with a POS test result you can absolutely confirm that she is a LIAR and a CHEAT?
And before you answer.....remember....I am one of the people that thinks there should be a LIFETIME ban on these infractions.......not just a slap on the wrist and sent on their way
Are you kidding me?
I never took a single supplement when I was swimming college and during the time I was training for the 84' trials....I was very aware even back then what the consequences were and was not willing to take ANY risk of making the team and getting booted.
As for being an old fart swimming masters I have openly acknowledged trying creatine...and if you or anyone else ever has a concern about my possibly using something illegal send the tester unannounced any day, any time...I'll even pay for the test results.
Is that Holier than thou enough for you? :mooning:
Paul, did you take any vitamins at all?
If our collective reaction when we hear about a foreign swimmer getting caught is "hah.. knew it was too good to be true" then what have we to say when we hear it about one of "ours"?
So you mean that Americans tend to generally think that every aspect of sports here is the paragon of openess, honesty and fairness. So much so that a doping scandal really rocks the foundation of society--quick, put up the bat signal!!
If you pointed the finger at disgraced foreign athletes and thought of it in nationalistic terms, you're misguided.
It's like the thread saying how American's will be pointed at and embarrassed before the world. I really don't think the world thought that there were no athletes here that cheated or did wrong before the hubbub. An honest-minded person will look and blame the individual--not the society.
If you uncover a governing body scheme to dope that's one thing, a handful of cheating athletes getting caught is another--yes there's bound to be more US, GB, FR, IT anywere you want to name.
And when the cheats finally get beat--Old Geek turns up the heat--
And this ain't to bad for he calls out the Cad---
So tell it like it is--after they take a bad whiz---
And give no good quarter to those with no order---
Their time on the bench will create a big stench---but it's best to
give them their time--on a smelly side line---for that's where they belong--for they did a bad wrong--
Ack not poetry!!
Some good things starting to happen on testing, hopefully this will help for where athletes have found something undetectable right now:
IOC to store athletes' test samples for eight years
www.usatoday.com/.../2008-07-28-ioc-drug-testing_N.htm
Whoa there goes the horse...quick bolt the stable now!
Seriously, couldn't they have done this before?
I also detect a bit of hypocrisy here in the holier-than-thou statements ?
Yeah and then some but hey, to err is human to forgive is divine right?
Kill em all and let god sort it out...ayayayaa
Wow. I think you have a reading comprehension problem... I don't believe I was talking about anyone here was I?
I suppose you think it's possible that clen was found in JH's urine but that doesn't mean she cheated. So her swims were then possibly legal? I guess you also think that she could possibly come out of this whole thing looking like an angel. You don't seem to acknowledge that, whether she knew she ingested clen or had no idea she was taking a tainted form of one of 12 supplements (that USA Swimming warned her about) she looks either guilty of doping or incredible foolishness (I'd venture to say, recklessness).
You have not read what I said................
My position is...she tested positive....for now she is done with swimming..period! If they can prove the tests were tainted or that the chain of custody was broken, she could possibly be reinstated. If they can not prove that....minimum....2 years out of swimming.....REGARDLESS of how it got in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I have a problem with.......AGAIN......is people in here spewing garbage about the fact that they ABSOLUTELY KNOW she did this on purpose!!!!!!!
That is preposterous.....unless there name is God and they know everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
