And when the cheats finally get beat--Old Geek turns up the heat--
And this ain't to bad for he calls out the Cad---
So tell it like it is--after they take a bad whiz---
And give no good quarter to those with no order---
Their time on the bench will create a big stench---but it's best to
give them their time--on a smelly side line---for that's where they belong--for they did a bad wrong--
Um, where is the proof she lied and cheated, try looking in the piss cup for starters. You will most assuredly find it there. Did you miss the part about her flunking a drug test?
No oh wise one....that is where I stated that the only thing we KNOW is that she came up POS......
Now answer the question for once........Where is your proof that she lied? Or cheated?
Some good things starting to happen on testing, hopefully this will help for where athletes have found something undetectable right now:
IOC to store athletes' test samples for eight years
www.usatoday.com/.../2008-07-28-ioc-drug-testing_N.htm
So many honest athletes out there...but I guess because the death penalty doesn't scare off serial killers I guess it means harsh punishment for cheating athletes won't work either....we should just give them all therapy and a hug.
Stronger Olympics drug testing shakes things up
"The sheer number of disqualified athletes — at least 37 since April — new testing methods, and Saturday's ruling to strip another 2000 Olympic gold serve as warnings to athletes about the risks of using performance-enhancing drugs."
www.usatoday.com/.../2008-08-03-drug-testing_N.htm
Is that really your response? :joker:
Just because you didn't like my answer doesn't mean it is going to change. The proof is in the piss cup. What more proof do I need, she flunked a drug test. Is there another set of proof required?
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Where is the proof.....you make these unequivical statements....but have nothing to back it up.
Doesn't have anything to do with whether I like your answer or not....you still refuse to put up your proof.....
You say that you KNOW for a fact that she lied and cheated......"Where's the beef?"
Piss cup, two positive samples, that is the proof. What more proof do you require? Three times I have answered your question. It won't change no matter how many times you ask. Should you ask again, my answer will be piss cup.
No dice oh wise one......all that confirms is that her sample tested POS. Do you not know the difference? Do we need to get crayons and a chalkboard? You made the statement....now back up the statement.....
...all that confirms is that her sample tested POS.
I hesitate to post my own reply to this, but if it is confirmed that her sample tested positive, then why all the commotion? Within the drug testing procedures, she is guilty of a doping offence.
For some reason you really seem to be searching for a reason why she's actually innocent. I would agree that we don't yet know why she tested positive, and we may never will, but the case does have facts, and the fact is that she has violated anti-doping regulations.
Swimmer to request reduced suspension
Associated Press
August 4, 2008
LOS ANGELES – Swimmer Jessica Hardy will try to have her possible two-year suspension “reduced substantially” after a failed drug test cost her a spot on the U.S. Olympic team.
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency said Friday the 21-year-old sprinter had withdrawn from the team nearly a month after she tested positive for a low level of clenbuterol, a prohibited anabolic agent, at the Olympic trials.
“She accepts the fact that the testing was properly done and the results properly reported,” her lawyer, Howard Jacobs, said in a statement released Friday night.
He said investigations were trying to determine the source of the clenbuterol.
“Jessica did not knowingly or intentionally take any banned substances,” Jacobs said. He noted that Hardy has cooperated fully with USADA since she was informed July 21 of her positive test.
I hesitate to post my own reply to this, but if it is confirmed that her sample tested positive, then why all the commotion? Within the drug testing procedures, she is guilty of a doping offence.
For some reason you really seem to be searching for a reason why she's actually innocent. I would agree that we don't yet know why she tested positive, and we may never will, but the case does have facts, and the fact is that she has violated anti-doping regulations.
Not looking to claim anything other than the fact that yes she tested positive. I have never argued that.....in fact, I was one of the first that said that now that she is positive she is done swimming for a while. What I have a problem with is the blanket statement that she is a LIAR and a CHEAT. According to others here.....she KNOWINGLY LIED and KNOWINGLY CHEATED. What I want to see is their proof that this actually happened KNOWINGLY!!!
I for one am tired of looking up to athletic "heroes" and a couple years down the road, they admit to cheating or are caught... I feel like a fool when this happens because I cheered for them and wanted them to win/medal. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't like getting burned like that (from a fan's perspective).
This is why I don't buy into it beyond skin depth... honestly... it plays into their egos and sense of money/fame means liberty to do as you please.
The best true sporting moment I saw via catching the ESPY's was the 2 girls carrying their opponent around the bases for a HR b/c she blew her knee out on the way to first.
Piss cup, 4th time, won't change, not even if you ask again.
I respected your argument about your hero and idol Torres that she has never tested positive and that is the litmus test. Only now do I realize that it is not a litmus test of cheating, it is simply the first of many tests that lying cheating dopers must flunk in order for there to be a partial acknowledgment of wrongdoing, and then that evaporates when their attorney spew off dribble you might find slightly plausible.
Once a person tests positive, the case is closed in my book. But, we need all sides of the argument. After all, as Smith says, you guys keep the therapists in business.
Sounds like with the lack of proof, you keep going back the same old:blah::blah::blah:.....I say we agree to disagree and move on.....
