Show me how with a POS test result you can absolutely confirm that she is a LIAR and a CHEAT?
I give in, I do openly agree that because she can't spell the drug she took that she has to be clean. That sure convinces me more than urine tests. No wait, she got it from a handshake, even more convincing. She has paid attorneys to fight her case, NOW I'M TRIPLY CONVINCED.
I give in, I do openly agree that because she can't spell the drug she took that she has to be clean. That sure convinces me more than urine tests. No wait, she got it from a handshake, even more convincing. She has paid attorneys to fight her case, NOW I'M TRIPLY CONVINCED.
Could it have been an "invisible twin" taking the Clen and secretly slipping it into JH's sample?
What I have a problem with.......AGAIN......is people in here spewing garbage about the fact that they ABSOLUTELY KNOW she did this on purpose!!!!!!!
That is preposterous.....unless there name is God and they know everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That we cannot know if she really did know how to spell clenbuterol (not even sure I'm spelling it right!) before she tested positive is pretty obvious at this point. I think the problem is that you come off sounding like JH could be a victim here. And, I don't think some of us agree that she can consider herself a true victim even if she recklessly took something that was tainted. SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WENT INTO HER BODY. PERIOD. No one is claiming to be god on high--with intimate knowledge of JH's every thought or intent. But, she can't claim to be entirely innocent. She had the drug in her system. She is not an innocent victim unless it's proven that someone snuck into her hotel room the night before the event and injected her in her sleep. Then I will recant everything I've said. THAT would make her an innocent victim. Anything short of that leaves her responsible for her own actions.
Do you think lifetime bans will deter would be dopers? I'm not so sure about that ... Perhaps the main benefit would be preventing a known cheater from returning to the sport?
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Paul about the Excuse Machine.
Fort, I would assume that the risk/reward calculations being done would come out differently if the punishment is lifetime ban versus 2 years. I know mine would but maybe I'm in the minority. Then again, if one KNOWS that they can't make it without doping, it might not matter.
SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WENT INTO HER BODY. PERIOD.
Apparently not. It is always someone else's fault. It's much easier to live that way, I'm gonna start.
Kinda like how the death penalty has stopped serial killers you mean?
Oh, puh-leeze. You mean the 'we sentence you to death, well, maybe not, we have to hear a billion appeal attempts, clemency appeals, protests, oh wait, now it's the human rights folks protesting the mental anguish aspect' silliness?
And NO punishment would be a 100% deterrent but if it deters 10%, is it worth it?
Amy, I apologize if I come off as thinking she is a victim.....not intended that way at all......the only possible way that she could be a victim here is if the test was flawed.....not likely since the B sample was POS as well. And that would have been tested at a separate lab from the first....the only other possibility is the chain of custody........all I really take issue with here is the outright conviction before all the results are in.
My opinion still is.....if you admit to or knowingly cheat....LIFETIME ban. no excuses no recourse.....you're done.
No apology necessary. Again, I think most of this argument is about semantics. And, being a cynic, I think that there are probably more of our swimmers out there using things than we know about. And JH just happened to get caught. I realize not everyone likes to think that but it's hard for me not to these days...
Look at Texas.....they put in a fast lane for death row.......I do believe statistics show their murder rate has dropped some.
Gotta love Ron White.
'My state's put in an express lane'
